May 12, 1930

CON

James Dew Chaplin

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CHAPLIN:

It may be a long time, but I venture this prediction: whether or not we are in power, this government will abandon that treaty because it is no good and never was any good. It is a detriment to the trade of this country. If the Minister of Finance did not receive the assistance of the Minister of Justice in preparing these schedules, he must have thought that it would be a good scheme to try.

Beginning with item 04 of the French treaty, and continuing down that page to item 073, and from item 074 down to item 0247, and then on the following page from item 0248 down to item 0379, one is able to see the variety of items included in this treaty. This list includes a number of names made up of a

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number of letters, many of which are unpronounceable. I intend to spell out some of them, but I will not attempt to pronounce them, and I do not think the Minister of Justice could pronounce them. Item 0246 is d-i-e-t-h-y-s-u-l-p-h-o-n-a-d-i-m-e-t-h-y-l-m-e-t-h-a-n-e. I am told that that article is really a sleeping powder. I heard it said the other day that because chloroform was allowed to enter this country free of duty, probably the government has used some of it upon certain of the outside members in order to prevent them from doing anything in regard to this particular tariff. If they do not find the chloroform effective, I would suggest they use this, because it can be brought in by the carload and the Minister of Justice can get it for them.

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LIB

Edward James Young

Liberal

Mr. YOUNG (Weyburn):

Spell another one

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CON

James Dew Chaplin

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CHAPLIN:

I shall be glad to do so.

This is one: m-o-n-o-m-e-t-h-y-l-p-a-r-a-m-i-d-o-c-r-e-s-o-1. This is a really good one: t-e-t-r-a-m-e-t-h-y-l-d-i-a-m-i-d-e b-e-n-z-o-p-h-e-u-o-n-e.

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE:

I wish my hon. friend

would try to pronounce that.

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CON

James Dew Chaplin

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CHAPLIN:

My hon. friend might give me some help in that regard.

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE:

I would.

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CON

James Dew Chaplin

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CHAPLIN:

I wish he would pronounce the one that I give him now.

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE:

Let the hon. member

try it first.

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CON

James Dew Chaplin

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CHAPLIN:

T-e-t-r-a-c-h-l-o-r-o-p-ht-h-a-l-i-c. I am satisfied for my hon. friend to have a try at pronouncing that. I could give another one that might be easier with only about fifteen letters if the minister thinks he could try to pronounce it.

As I said, there are more than 200 items padded into this list, and as regards not more than one or two did we ship 400 pounds. Just imagine that, and yet we have used more paper in printing this treaty and the customs books with these extra pages than the whole thing is worth!

A protective tariff, if properly and faithfully applied, would have the same effect if administered by a Liberal or a Conservative government. I am willing to admit that. I do not care about anything but the principle;

I am not disturbed by the government taking over protection. As I said a moment ago, the very highest compliment is paid to us by their adopting something to which they have been diametrically opposed for ten years. What is worrying me is this: will they give

it a fair trial? Are they taking it to seek to destroy it? Is it a game to fool the people? I say a game, because the government have tried more than once to do that kind of fooling. On the other hand, do they now actually believe the tariff on the items referred to will accomplish any good purpose? If it is true that it will accomplish a good purpose, why did they delay ten years to put it into, effect? Will the people believe that the government has had a change of heart? Will they believe that the government has a heart at all, or is this nothing but a change to catch a few votes? Will the people believe that those who have opposed an increase in duty on butter, eggs, fruits and vegetables have now sincerely changed their minds? I think it can be demonstrated without a shadow of doubt that almost the entire cabinet and most of the members on that side of the house have, during the past few sessions, gone on record against any increase in tariff on these articles. A few weeks ago the Minister of Trade and Commerce (Mr. Malcolm) argued in this way: Well, if you do put a 'duty on butter and eggs it will not do any good, because in a little while production will overtake consumption and you will be back where you were before. Why does he not apply that to his furniture? Instead of that he brings the other minister to his relief and gets him to raise the duty on furniture.

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

Nothing of the sort.

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CON

James Dew Chaplin

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CHAPLIN:

The government did not raise the duty on furniture?

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

I am contradicting the

statement made by the hon. gentleman that the Minister of Trade and Commerce induced the Minister of National Revenue to do this.

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CON

James Dew Chaplin

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CHAPLIN:

I am willing to accept

that statement by the minister. I am sorry to have made that remark. The fact remains that the one gentleman is the furniture man and the other is the Minister of National Revenue. The Minister of National Revenue raises the tariff upon furniture. I do not know at whose behest this was done, but he raises the duty so that more duty is collected on furniture. What for? Because it is being, so they say, dumped. I ask the minister this question: Is he going to apply the same principle to other businesses in this country?

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

If conditions are the same.

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CON

James Dew Chaplin

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CHAPLIN:

Conditions are the same,

but none of us happens to be in the bedstead business. Some of us are in other businesses.

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Recently during this very session members of parliament have gone on record that a duty on eggs and butter is of no use; that it would not do any good. Some since the introduction of the budget have somewhat regretted it. I think the minister might get a little more chloroform and hand it to those fellows because they are not in line with the others. Of course that chloroform has been used further. The Minister of National Revenue himself once or twice has been chloroformed too.

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

The hon. member is referring to my thumb, I hope.

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CON

James Dew Chaplin

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CHAPLIN:

No, I am referring to the liquor business.

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

The anaesthetic was, I

should judge, pretty. generally administered to everybody on the other side.

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CON

James Dew Chaplin

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CHAPLIN:

My friends on this side

never came out so boldly as the minister himself and told us what was going to happen, and nobody knew more about it than he did. I will admit he knew, but he did not stick to his guns as I have seen somebody else do.

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An hon. MEMBER:

He did not hide

behind the curtain.

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May 12, 1930