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May 19, 1930

CON

James Dew Chaplin

Conservative (1867-1942)
Member File Biography @ PARLINFO

Air. CHAPLIN:

That is a fixed duty.

There is nothing countervailing about it. The duty is absolutely fixed; it does not increase or decrease with the duties of other countries.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal
Member File Biography @ PARLINFO

Mr. DUNNING:

To my mind it is a

restricted countervailing tariff, for the reason that if another country does not impose a duty on a like article coming from Canada, this item does not apply.

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CON

William Gordon Ernst

Conservative (1867-1942)
Member File Biography @ PARLINFO

Mr. ERNST:

They cannot raise our duty. It is not a countervailing duty.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal
Member File Biography @ PARLINFO

Mr. DUNNING:

It is so regarded. Under the old item we imposed a duty of only fifty cents no matter how high the other country's duty went. Under the countervailing proposals now before the committee on various items, our tariff is fixed at what we consider proper, but in addition to that our tariff goes up or down as the case may be.

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William Thomas Lucas

United Farmers of Alberta
Member File Biography @ PARLINFO

Air. LUCAS:

Is the minister not quoting

from No. 61?

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal
Member File Biography @ PARLINFO

Mr. DUNNING:

I am sorry; I should

explain to my hon. friend I quoted the wrong item, but the same principle applies. Wheat is free under the old tariff, but when imported from a country which imposes a customs duty on wheat grown in Canada, the rate is eight cents, twelve cents and twelve cents. That is the existing countervailing provision on wheat.

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CON

William Gordon Ernst

Conservative (1867-1942)
Member File Biography @ PARLINFO

Mr. ERNST:

That is not countervailing;

it is a fixed tariff.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal
Member File Biography @ PARLINFO

Mr. DUNNING:

It is a tariff which says that we are willing to lower our duty if the other country does the same.

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CON

Leon Johnson Ladner

Conservative (1867-1942)
Member File Biography @ PARLINFO

Mr. LADNER:

But not increase it.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal
Member File Biography @ PARLINFO

Mr. DUNNING:

Yes, because we state

that wheat from the United States is free unless they impose a duty against our wheat. If they do so, then our duty will be eight cents, twelve cents and twelve cents, no matter what duty they impose on our wheat.

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CON

Robert James Manion

Conservative (1867-1942)
Member File Biography @ PARLINFO

Mr. MANION:

But the United States

tariff at the present moment is forty-two cents, and if these are countervailing duties our tariff would be forty-two cents as well.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal
Member File Biography @ PARLINFO

Mr. DUNNING:

Perhaps my hon. friend

can find another for it. I know our tariff is termed in the trade and between the two countries a countervailing tariff.

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CON

William Gordon Ernst

Conservative (1867-1942)
Member File Biography @ PARLINFO

Mr. ERNST:

A fixed provisional tariff.

Ways and Means-Customs Tariff

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CON

Leon Johnson Ladner

Conservative (1867-1942)
Member File Biography @ PARLINFO

Mr. LADNER:

I have before me tariff

schedules 60a and 61a. They are maximum rates which come into force for entry into this country in the vent of the other country placing a tariff on those commodities, but it does not permit our rates increasing beyond those maximum rates in the event of the other country increasing their tariff. In other words we have a high tariff but they have higher and higher tariffs.

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CON

William Gordon Ernst

Conservative (1867-1942)
Member File Biography @ PARLINFO

Mr. ERNST:

Now it is a brick-for-brick

tariff.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal
Member File Biography @ PARLINFO

Mr. DUNNING:

We are willing to cooperate with the United States in pulling down the wall.

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CON

William Gordon Ernst

Conservative (1867-1942)
Member File Biography @ PARLINFO

Mr. ERNST:

To a certain fixed minimum.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal
Member File Biography @ PARLINFO

Mr. DUNNING:

Under section 11 of the

customs tariff, we also have a provision whereby we can reduce the tariff below our rate.

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PRO

William Russell Fansher

Progressive
Member File Biography @ PARLINFO

Mr. FANSHER (Last Mountain):

The

old item, I suppose, was not considered by the board?

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal
Member File Biography @ PARLINFO

Mr. DUNNING:

No.

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May 19, 1930