July 22, 1931

CON

Henry Herbert Stevens (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

No.

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William Daum Euler

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

-on the other hand, is discriminated against. Perhaps I had better read the telegram I have received. I repeat, I have no brief for them, but if there are legitimate producers of brandy in Canada they have a right to protection under the principles laid down by my right hon. friend. I have no doubt he has also received this telegram. It reads:

Understand Australian treaty allows entry into Canada of Australian brandy at eight dollars per gallon. At present Canadian excise

duty on spirits is nine dollars per proof gallon so that a substantial preference is given to importers over the domestic manufacturer who employs Canadian labour not only directly but indirectly through many other industries. Canadian distillers are also large users of Canadian rye and barley. It is obviously unfair that this important Canadian industry which has thousands of shareholders should thus be discriminated against and we respectfully ask that appropriate steps be taken _ to remove the disadvantage placed on Canadian spirits.

It is signed by ten distillers. I need not read the names.

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Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; Minister of Finance and Receiver General; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

It might be just as well.

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William Daum Euler

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

They are: Hiram Walker & Sons, Limited; Distillers Corporation,Limited; Jos. E. Seagram & Sons, Limited; Gooderham & Worts, Limited; Canadian Industrial Alcohol Company, Limited; Consolidated Distilleries, Limited; Wiser's Distillery, Limited; B.C. Distillery Co., Limited; United Distillers, Limited; Pioneer Distillers, Limited.

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Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; Minister of Finance and Receiver General; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

I suggested that my hon. friend should read the names for this reason. I say to him here and now that not one of those firms produces a single gallon of brandy.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; Minister of Finance and Receiver General; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

I have under my hand from one of the largest of the firms who have signed the telegram-I need not mention the name-a letter in which the statement is made:

Answering your inquiry, would say no brandy is manufactured in Canada.

I wish to make rthat perfectly clear. And as the hon. gentleman has said that he has nothing further to say if there are no producers of brandy in Canada, it is not necessary that I should take up the time of the committee further.

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LIB

William Daum Euler

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

If it is the fact that no brandy is produced in Canada, I have nothing to say.

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Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; Minister of Finance and Receiver General; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

That is the fact.

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Peter John Veniot

Liberal

Mr. VENIOT:

While there is no brandy produced in Canada, the preference given to brandy from Australia, as against the S9 per gallon excise on Canadian spirits, makes brandy cheaper and it therefore comes into competition with whiskies and other spirits manufactured in this country. That is why they are protesting. It will be observed that in the telegram they say "Canadian spirits;" they do not say brandy. Brandy having a $1

preference over the Canadian excise of 89 per gallon, it is so cheap as to come into competition with all Canadian spirits.

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Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; Minister of Finance and Receiver General; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

In view of the observations of my hon. friend from Gloucester (Mr. Veniot), perhaps I might add this. My hon. friend from North Waterloo will recall that this afternoon, when moving the second reading of the bill, I explained that it was our purpose to prefer, under equal conditions, the British dominions to foreign countries. This brandy comes into competition with French brandy, and we could not apply a higher rate than $8 because the French treaty stands in the way. This treaty was made by my hon. friends and fixed the duty at that rate. If Australian brandy is to compete in this country with French brandy, obviously the same rate or less had to be applied. France is something like three thousand miles away from this country while Australia is over twice that distance.

Schedule A agreed to.

On schedule B.

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Clarence Joseph Veniot

Mr. YENIOT:

I would like to have an

explanation of what appears to me to be a discrimination against fish packed in the maritime provinces.

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Henry Herbert Stevens (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

There certainly was no

intention to discriminate against the maritime provinces. It must be recognized that Australia fixed the rates in this schedule.

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Peter John Veniot

Liberal

Mr. VENIOT:

Why would they determine to give such a high preference to salmon? Surely the minister should have discussed the other fish.

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Henry Herbert Stevens (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

We not only thought of

it but this was one of the important items which were under negotiation.

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LIB

Peter John Veniot

Liberal

Mr. VENIOT:

It is a good thing for

British Columbia but it would appear to be discrimination against the maritimes.

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CON

Henry Herbert Stevens (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

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Peter John Veniot

Liberal

Mr. VENIOT:

She does not can other

kinds of fish.

Private Bills

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CON

Henry Herbert Stevens (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

Oh yes, they can some.

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Peter John Veniot

Liberal

Mr. VENIOT:

Not the type of fish we

send to Australia. The largest sardine canning factory in the world is located in New Brunswick, and this country has always held the Australian market for sardines. The preference on sardines has not been increased while the preference on salmon has been doubled.

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July 22, 1931