March 17, 1933

LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

I mean

nothing disrespectful. I shall base my question upon my knowledge of what is in the telegram. Is the Minister of Labour in receipt of information from the authorities of the city of Vancouver pointing out that very emergent conditions exist there and that wholesale evictions have been carried out? If his attention has been directed to this situation, what measures does he propose to adopt to remedy it?

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CON

Wesley Ashton Gordon (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Labour; Minister of Mines)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. W. A. GORDON (Minister of Labour):

The answer to the interrogation is obvious. While I have not had any communication direct, the position of this government was stated by me on February 16. If hon. members will refer to page 2151 of Hansard, they will see that my answer to a similar question was as follows:

The only conditions which this government has at any time laid down with respect to direct relief have been to define direct relief as consisting of food, fuel, clothing and shelter or the equivalent thereof, and that there shall be no discrimination in the granting of relief to any applicant by reason of political, racial, religious or other considerations. No limit has ever been set by this government to the amount of relief which shall be granted to any applicant, this being constitutionally a matter wholly within the determination and judgment of the local authorities. It will also be obvious to members of the house that, even aside from the constitutional aspect, such matters are properly for the local authorities to determine.

Answering my hon. friend's third question, "On whose authority rates for direct relief are fixed?" I would say that municipalities must determine, first, whether relief shall be granted and, second, to whom and in what amount it shall be granted. I also presume that such decisions on the part of municipalities receive provincial approval.

From time to time the department does receive communications direct from individuals and provinces, but I do not think it would be even enlightening to hon. members for me to reiterate what I have said so often before. There is a proper method to bring this matter before the government, namely, through the provincial governments. If representations are made to a provincial government and if in turn that government, the municipality and the individual respectively find themselves unable to take care of the things outlined with respect to his main-

tenance, then the matter will promptly be considered by the government and such appropriation made as to take up the difference between what those primarily responsible are able to do and the total amount.

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

Have

any representations been received from the government of British Columbia in regard to this?

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CON

Wesley Ashton Gordon (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Labour; Minister of Mines)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GORDON:

I believe not. I have

received this message from another member, but the department has not had anything direct.

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

AVill the minister be prepared to investigate this particular situation in regard to the city of Vancouver?

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CON

Wesley Ashton Gordon (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Labour; Minister of Mines)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GORDON:

The province must unquestionably have knowledge of the contents of the telegram. The provincial authorities are in touch with the department here almost daily. I do not think it is desirable that we should prompt the provincial authorities to exceed what in their judgment seems to be adequate provision for cases of this kind.

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IND

Alan Webster Neill

Independent

Mr. A. W. NEILL (Comox-Alberni):

Is the minister not aware that when the municipalities apply to the provincial authority in British Columbia, the invariable answer is: We cannot help you to any greater extent because the dominion will not contribute their share of any larger rate?

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STEAM TRAWLERS' LICENCES


On the orders of the day:


CON

William Gordon Ernst

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. W. G. ERNST (Queens-Lunenburg):

I should like to direct a question to the Acting Minister of Fisheries and in order to make it intelligible, may I make one or two brief remarks? Steam trawlers' licences expire on March 31 of this year and resolutions have been sent from a large number of boards of trade in Nova Scotia asking that those licences be not renewed on account of the difficulties which individual fishermen are experiencing. I would ask the government to consider refusing to renew those licences when they expire.

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CON

Alfred Duranleau (Minister of Fisheries; Minister of Marine)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. ALFRED DURANLEAU (Acting Minister of Fisheries):

I can tell my hon.

friend that the matter is now under consideration.

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PRIVILEGE-MR. HEENAN


On the orders of the day: Hon. PETER HEElNAN (Kenora-Rainy River): I rise to a question of privilege. Yesterdby evening the Minister of Supply-Railways-C.N£. Railways and Canals (Mr. Manion), in referring to some of my remarks, had this to say: The hon. member for Kenora-Rainy River (Mr. Hernan)-I am sorry I do not see him here at present-spoke of the decrease in wages to be brought about, and said that already there had been a decrease on the Canadian National, as I understood him, of $125,000,000 fom 1929 to 1932. I just wish to say that that was not the statement I made. It was to this effect: Who suffers most in connection with the economies made on our railways? Not the Canadian National Railways; I did not say that: In 1931 the railway men were paid $74,000,000 less in wages than they received in 1929. I have not all the figures for this year, but I am satisfied that they will receive in wages $125,000,000 less than they were paid in 1929. So that there may be no misunderstanding between the Minister of Railways and me on the 17th of March, I wish to make this correction.


CON

Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. R. J. MANION (Minister of Railways and Canals):

I accept the hon. gentleman's statement, but it was not quite clear. As a matter of fact, in order to keep the record straight, I looked up the figures for all railways, and it was $108,000,000 and not S12o,000,000.

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LIB

Peter Heenan

Liberal

Mr. HEENAN:

I had just the government's own statement; I was quoting from that and the statement I made was quite correct.

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DEPARTMENT OP RAILWAYS


The house again in committee of supply, Mr. Hanson (Yorli-Sunbury) in the chair. Deficit of Canadian National Railways Amount required to provide for payment to the Canadian National Railway Company of the net income deficit including profit and loss incurred by the system during the year 1932 as certified to by the shareholders' auditors in the annual report of the company for the year 1932, but exclusive of all non-cash items including interest on Dominion government advances and eastern lines deficits as further certified to by the shareholders' auditors and approved by the Minister of Railways and Canals, this payment to be applied in reduction of temporary advances made to the company from the consolidated revenue fund under authority of the Canadian National Railways Guarantee Act, 1932, $53,422,661.67.


LIB

Edward James Young

Liberal

Mr. YOUNG:

We have not yet received

the report of the Canadian National Railways and we do not know what they have been doing for the year. The minister might give us some information in regard to this deficit on the national railways.

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CON

Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. R. J. MANION (Minister of Railways and Canals):

I thought I gave the hon.

gentleman enough information last night.

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LIB

March 17, 1933