There is no doubt that for some years both the railways have been looking into the question of cooperation at various points. One of the first recommendations made by this government, both by the Prime Minister and myself, to Sir Henry Thornton and Mr. Beatty, when we came into power, had reference to the greater need of cooperation than had existed in the past. But even prior to that the two railways undoubtedly had been canvassing the possibility of cooperation at certain points. I do not believe that either railway has any definite figure as to the number of men that would probably be laid off as a result of cooperation in different parts of the country. It all depends on the extent to which the cooperation is carried. In the case of cooperation affecting a few passenger trains it might mean very few men; but in extensive cooperation a great many men might be involved. In the speech delivered by Mr. Beatty, from which my hon. friend has quoted, Mr. Beatty spoke of unification-that was the word my hon. friend quoted, I believe. I distinctly remember reading about a statement on the part of Mr. Beatty regarding a possible saving of
S75,000,000, but although I should not care to oppose my views to Mr. Beatty's on the subject, I am bound to say that I have grave doubts that such a saving could be effected. As to my hon. friend's request for definite information, I do not think that either of the railways can say precisely what number of
men may be laid off. I have seen statements attributed to Mr. Beatty and Mr. Hungerford, certainly to Mr. Beatty, that in the course of natural decrease year by year in the number of the employees there need not be very much interference at all with the number of those who work on the railways. Some high officials of both the Canadian Pacific and the Canadian National Railways have made that statement to myself. At any rate, while I am not disputing my hon. friend's word, I should like him to quote what Mr. Beatty said with regard to forty or fifty thousand men being affected.