April 13, 1933

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Henry Herbert Stevens (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. H. H. STEVENS (Minister of Trade and Commerce):

Oh, no; I haven't had an opportunity to take it up before.

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William Richard Motherwell

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

I have just been

reading in the Winnipeg Free Press that further amendments to the Grain Act are expected. Should we not put those amendments through before dealing with this matteT?

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Henry Herbert Stevens (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

The suggested amendments to the Grain Act are very formal and deal with something entirely related to eastern Canada. They will be ready in a day or two but they will not affect matters appertaining to these estimates. One of the members of the Board of Grain Commissioners is here and I am anxious to get the item through while the commissioners are in the east.

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William Richard Motherwell

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

I have no criticism to offer of the endeavour to get a difficult item through on a quiet afternoon-half the members are away. I expect, however, that the next call will be from the Minister of Agriculture to get live stock items through. If that is the plan, I do not blame hon. gentlemen much.

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Henry Herbert Stevens (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

That is not the plan.

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Carried.

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LIB

Robert McKenzie

Liberal

Mr. McKENZIE (Assiniboia):

Last night

the Prime Minister indicated that to-day the house would proceed with public works, trade and commerce, marine and fisheries and agriculture. We thought that public works would come first.

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Henry Herbert Stevens (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

I have already said that

I aim trying to take advantage of the presence

in Ottawa of a member of the Board of Grain Commissioners, but I wish hon. members to understand that they are at perfect liberty to discuss the matter as fully as they desire. There is no suggestion whatever of putting anything over the committee, none whatever.

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Edward James Young

Liberal

Mr. YOUNG:

We appreciate the minister's position, but is he prepared to make a statement now as to the government's dealings in the grain market?

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Henry Herbert Stevens (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

I thought that was pretty well indicated in the budget debate.

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Henry Herbert Stevens (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

I do not think there is

anything further to say.

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Henry Herbert Stevens (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

I say, there is nothing to add to what was said during the budget debate.

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William Richard Motherwell

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

I should have

thought there would be a good deal to say in answer to the 'hon. member for Willow Bunch, but if his statements are correct we have not much more to ask. He miade many statements that would require a reply from some member of the ministry if he is not correct. If, however, his statements are correct, then I suppose we have all the information it is possible to get.

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Albert Joseph Brown

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BROWN:

Yesterday I had a question on the order paper to which the minister gave an answer. There was also a motion passed touching the same subject, with reference to correspondence between the government and the Civil Service Commission. These papers have not yet been brought down and until we get full information I do not see how this matter will be satisfactorily disposed of. Of course, the minister may be able to give us now the information we desire. The question I put on the order paper, with the answer, is as follows:

Board of Grain Commissioners-Solicitor

Mr. Brown:

1. Has a solicitor been appointed for the Board of Grain Commissioners?

2. If so, who is the appointee?

3. On whose recommendation was he appointed?

4. What salary does he receive?

Mr. Stevens:

1. Yes, temporarily.

2. E. L. Taylor.

3. Upon the recommendation of the Board of Grain Commissioners and appointed by the Civil Service Commission.

4. $5,000 per annum less 10 per cent.

I might add another question, as to the time of his appointment. That question hav-

Supply-Trade-Grain Act

ing been answered, I have on the way to the order paper another one: What was the

amount spent by the Board of Grain Commissioners in the way of fees for legal services during each of the five crop years preceding July 31, 1932? Information has come to us that these legal services were being provided for the Board of Grain Commissioners at a comparatively small charge, and now it seems that the government has appointed a solicitor at a salary, according to the answer given me, of $5,000 per annum less ten per cent. Another question I asked, to which I should like fuller information, was: On whose

recommendation was he appointed? The answer was that he was appointed on the recommendation of the Board of Grain Commissioners by the Civil Service Commission. I should like to know whether that is the answer to the question as I intended it to be answered, or whether the Board of Grain Commissioners took the initiative in requesting a solicitor for the work. I wish to know whether, according to statements that have Been made, this officer, Mr. E. L. Taylor, was foisted upon the Board of Grain Commissioners. These are some of the questions we want to have answered.

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Henry Herbert Stevens (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

I am happy to be able

to give an answer to practically all that the hon. member has asked. The appointment *of a solicitor to the board, in the position occupied by Mr. Taylor, originated I believe in a recommendation by the Brown commission that someone should be appointed as legal adviser to the assistant commissioners, who later were appointed, and to help, if required, any complainant to get his case before the board in proper order. Mr. Taylor has been acting as legal adviser to the various assistant commissioners who are located, as my hon. friend no doubt knows, in Calgary, Saskatoon and Winnipeg. He gives legal advice constantly on the innumerable matters that arise in connection with the administration of this board's business, which is very extensive and intricate-particularly intricate in view of the amendments of 1929 and 1930 and the adjustments which became necessary. Constantly questions are coming up regarding licences, insurance, and so forth. In addition to that, Mr. Taylor is at the disposal of applicants before the board for adjustment of various matters which they complain about, and he also renders assistance to them.

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Charles-Philippe Beaubien

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BEAUBIEN:

Does he give this assistance free of charge?

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Henry Herbert Stevens (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

Free of charge, yes. That is his position and he is recognized as a very

useful and competent solicitor in that class of work. In addition to that there are some major matters of litigation that may and do come up, and for that purpose, if I am not mistaken, the board retains the services of Mr. Travers Sweatman, K.C.. of Winnipeg. I presume that where necessity warrants it, in matters of sufficient importance, they retain other solicitors as well. I am sorry I have not the particulars of the expenditures for legal services over the past five years.

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April 13, 1933