Mr. SUTHERLAND:
The total is 864.
Mr. GIROUARD:
The figures the minister has just given as the expenses in connection with the boats represent the cost for the year?
Mr. SUTHERLAND:
Yes.
Mr. GIROUARD:
The minister was kind enough to inform me last year that the expenses per day for the Saguenay were $645, and that the Saguenay is in operation all the year around; and that the maintenance and service of the Champlain cost per day $485. I understand that the cost would be approximately the same for the Vancouver and the Skeena. Would the minister state if the amounts I have just mentioned are correct?
Mr. SUTHERLAND:
If they were the amounts I gave the hon. gentleman last year I have no doubt at all that they are correct.
Mr. POULIOT:
Would the minister be kind enough to inform the committee how many Canadians have attended the lectures at the Empire State college in England?
Mr. SUTHERLAND:
As the hon. gentleman knows, by agreement we send officers every year to take advanced training courses in naval matters in England. During the present year there will be one officer taking the staff course at Greenwich, two officers taking the technical course on naval matters, and two officers taking another course on technical matters. In addition the young cadets who enter the navy get their training in England. There will be six cadets going over.
Mr. POTJiLIOT: But I am asking how many Canadians have attended the lectures at that college.
Mr. SUTHERLAND:
Ever since the institution of our navy, following the war.
Mr. POULIOT:
Ever since the war.
Mr. SUTHERLAND:
Oh, yes.
Mr. POULIOT:
Does Canada pay their expenses over there?
Mr. SUTHERLAND:
Yes.
Mr. POULIOT:
Is the Empire State college a kind of English West Point? Is it England's equivalent to West Point in the United States?
Mr. SUTHERLAND:
No. West Point, of course, is for the military service only and corresponds more to our Royal Military college. The institution in England to which the hon. gentleman refers, and to which we send cadets, is the training ship Frobisher. That is where our midshipmen go.
Mr. POULIOT:
If I understand the minister correctly, it is a naval school.
Mr. SUTHERLAND:
Yes.
Mr. POULIOT:
Besides that are there lectures given on air force matters and airways?
Mr. SUTHERLAND:
Not at that particular school. But there is in the old country what is called the Imperial Defence college to which officers from all over the empire go to discuss and be instructed in the higher elements of military, naval and aerial affairs. The senior officers in Great Britain from all the great services come and address and instruct and give lectures to those who are attending those courses.
Mr. POULIOT:
Would the minister be
kind enough to tell the committee the name of that school or college and where it is located?
Mr. SUTHERLAND:
It is called the
Imperial Defence college and is located in London.
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Mr. PO'ULIOT: How long has it been in
existence?