June 28, 1935

LIB

Vincent Dupuis

Liberal

Mr. DUPUIS:

Mr. Chairman, if you will

allow me to do so I should like to revert to items 330 and 331.

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?

Some hon. MEMBERS:

No.

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LIB

Vincent Dupuis

Liberal

Mr. DUPUIS:

With the permission of the

committee I should like to refer to them just to obtain some information. I should like to know how many men are in the nonpermanent active militia and how many in the permanent forces.

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CON

Grote Stirling (Minister of Fisheries; Minister of National Defence)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

In the permanent force

the number as of May 31, 1935, was 408 officers and 3,104 other ranks. I have not exact similar figures with regard to the nonpermanent active militia, but approximately at that date they numbered 6,939 officers and 44,127 other ranks, making a total of 51,066.

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LIB

William Daum Euler

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

Referring again to the preventive service, for some years that service has been under the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. I should like to know whether the air service ir. connection with the prevention of smuggling and so on is now under the Department of National Defence or whether it is still controlled by the mounted police.

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CON

Grote Stirling (Minister of Fisheries; Minister of National Defence)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

The mounted police.

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LIB

William Daum Euler

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

They merely call on the

Department of National Defence to supply the air service, is that it?

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CON

Grote Stirling (Minister of Fisheries; Minister of National Defence)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

To supply the planes

and the flying officers.

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LIB

William Daum Euler

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

But they are entirely under

the orders and control of the mounted police?

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CON

Grote Stirling (Minister of Fisheries; Minister of National Defence)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

Entirely under the

mounted police.

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LIB

Eugène Fiset

Liberal

Sir EUGENE FISET:

I note that the

vote for the operation of these planes comes under the Department of National Defence, which carries on the service for other departments. I should like to know from the minister if refunds are made by the other departments to cover these expenditures.

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CON

Grote Stirling (Minister of Fisheries; Minister of National Defence)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

The actual flying costs

are charged against civil aviation and are refunded by the Department of Justice.

Mr. MaoINNIS: Does item No. 333 provide for the developing of landing fields?

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CON

Grote Stirling (Minister of Fisheries; Minister of National Defence)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

No.

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Item agreed to. Civil Aviation- Expenses in connection with the control of civil aviation, airways, government and public airports and grants to aeroplane clubs.- further amount required, $497,900.


LIB

Ross Wilfred Gray

Liberal

Mr. GRAY:

Mr. Chairman, this vote increases by over $200,000 the vote in the main estimates. At that time we voted the sum of $250,000 and we are now asked to vote this much larger sum of $497,900. I wonder if the minister would explain the increase and give a brief resume of what has been done by the government in connection with the promotion of civil aviation.

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CON

Grote Stirling (Minister of Fisheries; Minister of National Defence)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

Mr. Chairman, due to

the increased use of aeroplanes there is of necessity additional work in the department. Inspection services and investigations consequent upon accidents which have occurred fall to the inspectors of the department. In consequence it is necessary all the time to keep abreast of the work, which has been increasing with considerable rapidity. Then, work is being undertaken to keep abreast of the times with regard to direction beacons. It is hoped very shortly to have radio control of that section between Ottawa and Montreal, for instance, and gradually it is expected that radio direction beams will be erected across Canada,-although that is a long way ahead. Provision is made in the vote for acquiring land at ten different points scattered across the dominion for the purpose of proceeding with the project of having emergency fields across Canada. In the majority of cases crown lands either in the right of the dominion or in the right of the provinces have been available, and by arrangement they have been set aside for these emergency fields. Hitherto with the exception of cleaning, clearing, level-

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ling, a certain amount of drainage and the building of certain roads and fences little has been done. In various parts of Canada relief camp workers have been used for that purpose. There are ten places, four being in the province of British Columbia, three in Quebec, one in Nova Scotia, one in New Brunswick and one in Ontario, where it is thought desirable to begin work on what eventually will be emergency fields in a chain right across Canada.

Then, in connection with stores and equipment there is a sum for the purchase and installation of the lighting equipment on the two sites to which I have referred, and provision for the purchase of high frequency transmitters and receivers, and other pieces of machinery of that description, to get on with the transmitting of the beams.

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LIB

Ross Wilfred Gray

Liberal

Mr. GRAY:

Where is the emergency field

located in the province of Ontario?

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CON

Grote Stirling (Minister of Fisheries; Minister of National Defence)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

At Vankleek Hill.

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CON

Grote Stirling (Minister of Fisheries; Minister of National Defence)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

At Oka, Windsor Mills

and Pontiac.

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June 28, 1935