April 24, 1936

LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

Last year we expended

$2,042,000, and as a result of the findings of the Hyndman commission the amount will be considerably increased this year.

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CON

George Halsey Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE PERLEY:

Does the minister expect to have to spend $2,600,000?

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

Yes.

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CON

George Halsey Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE PERLEY:

Because of the increase recommended in the Hyndman report?

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

Yes.

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CON

George James Tustin

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TUSTIN:

Do I understand the minister to say that returned men get this relief providing they are already receiving a small pension, in order to bring it up to a certain amount, or do they have to be on relief in the municipality in which they reside in order to have their income supplemented in this way?

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

The returned soldier who is a pensioner has no connection with the municipality at all as far as relief is concerned; he is not obliged to apply to the muni ipality. He applies to this department, and if his income is not as high as this basic rate or as the rate of the municipality in which he lives, then we supplement that amount. So far the government of Canada has not considered it to be its duty to look after exsoldiers who are not pensioners.

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CON

George James Tustin

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TUSTIN:

I have in mind a pensioner who is receiving a small pension; no doubt the minister will recall the case, because I have spoken to him about it. I think this man has a pension of about $30 per month, and he has a family of four children. He strenuously objects to applying for relief,, either from the municipality or under this scheme, and I was just trying to get it clear as to whether he should be on municipal relief.

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

If he receives a pension of $30 per month he would probably have that amount brought up to the scale I mentioned a few moments ago.

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Item agreed to. War veterans' allowances, $3,200,000.


CON

George Halsey Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE PERLEY:

I would like some explanation of this increase, but it is almost eleven o'clock.

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

It will not take me a moment to explain. The war veterans' allowance was introduced in 1930. At that time a very good estimate was made as to the annual amount that would be expended, and the estimate has been pretty closely followed since then. As the soldiers grow older and reach the age of sixty more of them come under this act. Some of them grow less capable of looking after themselves and also come under the act. That is the reason for the increase.

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CON

George Halsey Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE PERLEY:

That is a reasonable explanation, but I should think their numbers would be growing less.

Questions

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

Not in this particular

category. There are more reaching the age of sixty than are dying. In 1930 it was anticipated that by 1959 the expenditure under this item would reach $12,000,000 annually.

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CON

George Halsey Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE PERLEY:

Is this allowance made only to those over sixty?

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

To those sixty or over or to those holders of small pensions who are permanently incapacitated.

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Item agreed to. Progress reported. At eleven o'clock the house adjourned, without question put, pursuant to standing order. Monday, April 27, 1936


April 24, 1936