Oh, oh.

Mr. MANION:

No, I am not unfair

enough to ask him to do it now-that is a fancy trick such as we get from hon. gentlemen opposite-but we are just beginning this session; we have plenty of time, and I ask him to bring it forward at the proper time and show me where I made it.

Mr. DUNNING:

Now that this Donny-brook is over, may I continue? I merely cited an instance which, whether my hon. friend was guilty or not guilty, was certainly widely published at the time. I called upon my own memory with respect to it and got it confirmed by the hon. member for Dauphin (Mr. Ward) who says he heard it there. We shall, however, allow the hon. member for Dauphin and the leader of the opposition (Mr. Manion) to settle that between themselves. AH I desire to say, Mr. Speaker, is this, and this is the really serious word. The administration of a great public utility demands a degree of restraint on the part of all of us to which none of us in this parliament has so far proved equal. That is my firm belief. No matter which party of us is in opposition, we do belabour the government politically with respect to the administration of this great utility. That has been the 71492-38

history to date. I mention it merely in order that in this time of great difficulty we may all look at it-and I do not except hon. gentlemen in the corner; they are not any more righteous than the rest of us in that regard; I include everybody, including myself. There is no subject about which in the interests of Canda we require more heart searching than in regard to statements we make with respect to the conduct of our great publicly owned utility. That is all I want to say. I have spoken quite extemporaneously, because my hon. friend referred to these matters.

Mr. T. L. CHURCH (Broadview):

On a question of privilege, Mr. Speaker, I ask permission to call attention to a remark made in this debate this afternoon with reference to myself by the hon. member for Wellington North (Mr. Blair) which I think, when his attention is called to it, he will withdraw. The short statement which the hon. member made at ten minutes to six, when I was not in the house, was that-

. . . one of the hon. members from Toronto said, "I view with alarm the visit of Cordell Hull to Canada." Yes, he viewed with alarm the visit of a friendly ambassador to Canada.

Mr. Lapointe (Quebec East): Who said that?

Mr. Blair: What is Tommy Church's constituency? .

Mr. Lapointe: Broadview.

Mr. Blair: Broadview?-the name is a

misnomer. There is no "broadview" about that -it is one of the narrowest things I ever heard, in regard to Americans. And we are at war with them, because Cordell Hull comes to visit us! There are views of things which I wish, for the sake of civilization and for the sake of common decency and courtesy, could be erased from Hansard.

Mr. Speaker, I never on any occasion made remarks like that. I have too much respect for the famous statesman who was visiting the university of Toronto to receive a degree. Also, I have welcomed and received thousands and tens of thousands of Americans and conventions as I lived in a city near '-hr border, and this is the first time in all these long years I have been in the public service that it has been suggested that a discourteous remark of that kind had been made by me about any of them. May I say to the hon. member that he did not have a newspaper in his hand nor did he read from one. He never read such an article, and no newspaper ever published such an article. What I did say was this, after referring to the very fine reception at the university accorded to a distinguished and honoured United States citizen: I said that I viewed with alarm the

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effect which I believed the Anglo-American treaty would have on empire preferences, on the Ottawa agreements, and on acute unemployment in Toronto. No reference was made in that connection to the distinguished statesman the hon. member mentioned: Mr. Cordell Hull. He has not the paper, cannot produce it, and never saw any such statement in any paper. I have too high a regard for that distinguished statesman and for the American people to make such an absurd statement anywhere. I have welcomed tens of thousands of American visitors at conventions in a long public career, and never on any occasion have I shown any discourtesy to or any disrespect for the great nation which they represented and which I hold in the highest regard. If the hon. gentleman will say the same thing outside the house to-morrow, I will immediately sue him for libel and slander. He never saw such a statement in any paper, and his memory is not correct.

Mr. BLAIR:

I simply gave a report which I saw in a paper. The hon. gentleman says he did not say it, and I accept his word and apologize.

Mr. BERTRAND (Prescott):

I was paired with the hon. member for Eglinton (Mr. Baker). Had I voted, I would have voted against the amendment to the amendment.

Mr. LALONDE:

I was paired with the hon. member for Red Deer (Mr. Poole). Had I voted I would have voted against the amendment to the amendment.

Mr. BERTRAND (Prescott):

I was paired with the hon. member for Eglinton (Mr. Baker). Had I voted I would have voted against the amendment.

Mr. MARTIN:

I was paired with the hon. member for Hamilton East (Mr. Brown). Had I voted I would have voted against the amendment.

Main Estimates

Mr. LALONDE:

I was paired with the hon. member for Red Deer (Mr. Poole). Had I voted I would have voted against the amendment.

Motion (Mr. Matthews) agreed to.

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister) moved:

That the address be engrossed and presented to His Excellency the Governor General by such members of this house as are of the honourable the privy council.

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister) moved:

That this house will, on Monday next, resolve itself into a committee to consider of a supply to be granted to His Majesty.

Hon. R. J. MANION (Leader of the Opposition):

This is just a pro forma

motion, is it not?

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

The rules provide that once the address has been agreed to, the next order of business is to constitute the committees of supply and ways and means.

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister) moved:

That this house will, on Friday next, resolve itself into a committee to consider of the ways and means for raising the supply to be granted to His Majesty.