March 29, 1939

CON

Grote Stirling

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

There will be a full stop, then, at the end of the first sentence and this will be another sentence?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

Yes.

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CON

Robert Henry McGregor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. McGREGOR:

How are these manufacturers to be notified of tenders being called? Through public advertisement?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

That

will be, of course, within the full competence and jurisdiction of the board. They will obtain a full list of those who are competent to tender, and those will be notified directly. Where it is not done by advertisement in the public press, it will be done, I assume, by correspondence from the board.

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CON

Robert Henry McGregor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. McGREGOR:

What I want to know

is, is it left to the board to say who shall tender and who shall not tender?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

The

board is given discretion. Public tenders shall be resorted to in every practicable case;

but where there are special reasons for not calling for tenders, it will be within the discretion of the board not to call for tenders.

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CON

Howard Charles Green

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GREEN:

This amendment, I think,

illustrates the importance of having on the board adequate representation, particularly from the more remote parts of Canada. Incidentally, this is not the only provision which will work satisfactorily only if there is such representation. There are several other clauses to which the same consideration applies. The other evening, when the bill was up for discussion in committee before,

I understood the minister to say it was the intention of the government that the members of the board should reside in the neighbourhood of Ottawa.

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

Oh, no.

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CON

Howard Charles Green

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GREEN:

By reason of the Trans-

Canada Air Lines, British Columbia is now as near Ottawa as is Toronto. I would ask the minister to bear that in mind. Speaking seriously, these powers of the board can be properly exercised only if the board is representative of different parts of Canada. Consider, for example, section 6, giving the board power to supervise the carrying out of contracts; section 8, paragraph (a), giving it power to inquire as to defence requirements; and section 8, paragraph (c), giving it power to conduct a survey of industrial plants.

I would point out to the minister that British Columbia is probably more directly interested in this defence problem than any other part of Canada. We are concerned particularly with the defence requirements and with the carrying out of defence contracts. Many contracts have been let on the Pacific coast, and there will be many more in carrying out the plans of the government. I would also point out that British Columbia ranks as Canada's third largest industrial province, so that the matter of an industrial survey in that province is of great importance. I should like to have some assurance from the minister that there will be on this board representation from our province.

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

I can

assure my hon. friend that every possible consideration will be given his recommendations, but I should not like to bind myself by undertaking any geographical representation on the board. The decision in the matter will be for the government as a whole and not for the Minister of National Defence.

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Amendment agreed to. Subsection as amended agreed to. Section as amended agreed to. Defence Purchasing Board



On section 6-7-Board to supervise carrying out contracts.


LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

There

was an objection from the hon. member for Kootenay East (Mr. Stevens) to the word ''supervise." The suggestion is now that section 6 be struck out and another section substituted, very largely to meet the point raised by the hon. gentleman. The amendment will read:

That section 6 of the bill be struck out and the following substituted therefor:

"6. It shall be the duty of the board to take such steps as shall reasonably ensure that contracts entered into pursuant to the provisions of this part are performed in accordance with their respective terms.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

I move that amendment.

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CON

Charles Hazlitt Cahan

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CAHAN:

I suggest that "steps" is not the best term to use.

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Henry Herbert Stevens

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

"Measures."

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CON

Charles Hazlitt Cahan

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CAHAN:

"Measures" is better. What it certainly means is that this board must provide a thorough inspection and supervision during the performance of these contracts, and I think the word "measures," as the hon. member for Kootenay East suggests, is a wider term.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

I move that the word "measures" be substituted for "steps" in the amendment.

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CON

Grote Stirling

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

Does the minister propose to elaborate on that at all? Does he propose to add to section 8?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

I have considered carefully the observations made by my hon. friend in regard to section 8. After considering the matter, I came to the conclusion that this amendment, based upon the observations of the hon. member for Kootenay East, will largely meet the views of the hon. member for Yale (Mr. Stirling) with regard to section 8. If, however, the hon. member thinks the amendment does not meet his views, I shall be glad to defer further consideration of section 8, although the opinion we arrived at was that this amendment, changing the word "supervise" in section 6, would largely meet the objections of the hon. member with regard to section 8. For that reason no amendment is at present proposed to section 8.

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March 29, 1939