May 17, 1939

LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

I have not that information over a series of years. This afternoon I gave the total amount we estimated would be required this year, as follows: Central experimental farm, $626,950; branch farm stations and illustration stations, $1,406,427. . Then we have this supplementary estimate which we are now asking the committee to vote, which should be added to make up the total. The total estimate for the administration of the central farm and the branch farms is $2,033,327, to which should be added the $233,330 covered by this item. That also

would be approximately the annual amount back to perhaps 1930.

Topic:   PRAIRIE FARM ASSISTANCE
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CON

Denton Massey

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MASSEY:

I wondered if the amount was increasing as rapidly as the efficiency of the work. I think we all recognize the magnificent work the experimental farms are doing and the great contribution they are making to the welfare of the country. My question was asked because I wondered whether the expenses were increasing as the efficiency of the farms increased, or whether the work was being done better with the same amount of money.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

There has not been any great increase during the past ten years with the exception of the natural increases resulting from annual advances in salaries.

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CON

Denton Massey

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MASSEY:

How many experimental farms are there in addition to the central farm at Ottawa?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

I put a list of the farms on Hansard two or three days ago.

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SC

John Horne Blackmore

Social Credit

Mr. BLACKMORE:

There is one matter,

Mr. Chairman, which I believe I should bring to the attention of the committee. It does not exactly bear upon experimental farms, except in so far as it is very important in connection with the development of the agricultural industry in Canada.' I refer to the beet sugar industry. We had intended to discuss this matter under item 20, but we saw fit to defer the discussion until this evening. I make that statement, sir, so that you will understand why we are bringing on this discussion at this point.

I believe the beet sugar industry and its possibilities are very much misunderstood throughout the dominion. I find that even many hon. members do not seem to know as much about the industry as members of parliament perhaps should know in the interests of the country. Coming from a constituency in which there are two very successful beet sugar factories, I feel it my duty to bring to the attention of hon. members some important facts pertaining to this industry.

Topic:   PRAIRIE FARM ASSISTANCE
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CON

John Ritchie MacNicol

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacNICOL:

Where are those factories located?

Topic:   PRAIRIE FARM ASSISTANCE
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SC

John Horne Blackmore

Social Credit

Mr. BLACKMORE:

Topic:   PRAIRIE FARM ASSISTANCE
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LIB

George Alexander McLean

Liberal

Mr. McLEAN (Meffort):

What was the

Alberta figure?

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SC

John Horne Blackmore

Social Credit

Mr. BLACKMORE:

In 1937 it was 11-88 tons to the acre, and in that year the sugar content of the beets was 18-594 per cent, while 75,603,700 pounds of sugar were produced. The return to the growers amounted to $1,376,073.52, at the rate of S6.65 a ton. There were 3,813 pounds of sugar produced to the acre. Perhaps, if I stop here for a moment to allow hon. members to visualize that fact, they may realize that this is a tremendous amount of sugar. If we had 3,000 pounds of sugar in 100 pound bags piled up on the floor of the house, lion, members would be impressed with the size of the pile. When we remember that this came from one acre of soil, we realize there is being produced on those acres more food than could be produced by any other crop in the whole British empire.

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CON

Charles-Philippe Beaubien

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BEAUBIEN:

How many pounds did the hon. member mention?

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SC

John Horne Blackmore

Social Credit

Mr. BLACKMORE:

I mentioned the figure of 3,813 pounds per acre. There was $3,040,000 worth of sugar produced altogether, and a gross return of $155 per acre.

Mr. MaeNICOL: That is for Alberta?

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SC

John Horne Blackmore

Social Credit

Mr. BLACKMORE:

Yes, in my own constituency. Of that amount of money $77.50 went to the manufacturers and $77.50 to the farmers, less $25 for hand labour and $35 for other expenses, leaving $17.50 per acre as a net return to the farmers.

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LIB-PRO

Joseph Thorarinn Thorson

Liberal Progressive

Mr. THORSON:

How much tariff protection does the hon. member want?

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SC

John Horne Blackmore

Social Credit

Mr. BLACKMORE:

I have not mentioned tariff protection yet.

Topic:   PRAIRIE FARM ASSISTANCE
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LIB-PRO

Joseph Thorarinn Thorson

Liberal Progressive

Mr. THORSON:

How much does the hon. member want?

Topic:   PRAIRIE FARM ASSISTANCE
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SC

John Horne Blackmore

Social Credit

Mr. BLACKMORE:

We will talk about that later on. If the farmers' children did the work instead of hired men, they could make $42.50 per acre.

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CON

Charles-Philippe Beaubien

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BEAUBIEN:

Does the hon. member think that $17.50 net to a farmer is a fairly good revenue from an acre of land, at present land prices.

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SC

John Horne Blackmore

Social Credit

Mr. BLACKMORE:

I should be inclined to think it is fairly good, compared with what one could make in the production of wheat. Of course it must be remembered that this land had to be carefully prepared. .

Topic:   PRAIRIE FARM ASSISTANCE
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CON

Charles-Philippe Beaubien

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BEAUBIEN:

Is it irrigated land?

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May 17, 1939