June 14, 1940

LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Munitions and Supply; Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

There has been a long debate in this house on the resolution brought in by the Minister of Labour which I thought pretty well dealt with that question. I may tell my hon. friend, however, that there are various training plans. I hardly think it comes under this resolution to deal with those plans in detail, but there are a good many of them, all having the same end in view.

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NAT

Howard Charles Green

National Government

Mr. GREEN:

Does the minister mean under the government, or private training plans?

Topic:   MUNITIONS AND SUPPLY
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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Munitions and Supply; Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

There is assistance given to private plans, and there are provincial plans assisted by federal grants.

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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

Grants in aid from this government?

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Munitions and Supply; Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

Yes.

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SC

Charles Edward Johnston

Social Credit

Mr. JOHNSTON (Bow River):

I have something to say in connection with the training of mechanics, but I do not want to go into the matter in detail at this time because the minister has given the assurance that the question will be taken up in greater detail on the second reading of the bill. For that reason I have not said very much about that matter, but I think there should be a definite plan for the training of men. The minister has referred to several plans which are now in operation, but in my estimation they are not up to the standard at all. I can see clearly that in the near future we are going to have a very much greater demand for trained mechanics. I had the privilege of studying some of these plans, and I want to tell the minister that such plans as I have studied are not at all adequate to meet thy great necessities we are about to face. I should like to go into that in greater detail a little later on, but I think the minister would be well advised to consider the suggestion advanced by the hon. member for Victoria, B.C. (Mr. Mayhew), who spoke a moment ago.

From what I have seen I am quite convinced that the sort of training which is being given

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is not conducive to the best results. It is entirely too elementary. I have been in contact with quite a few principals of technical schools, in this and in other provinces, and I have found that almost without exception those schools are prepared to go to any lengths to assist the government to train mechanics who will be able to step right into these munition plants, aeroplane factories and so on, and carry on efficiently. So far as I know, that is not being done at the present time. I think the government would be well advised to see what can be done in conjunction with these technical schools, in order that the graduates of these schools may give greater assistance to industry than is at present the case. I know from the communications I have had with the principals of these schools that they are only too anxious to cooperate with that end in view. When the bill is up for second reading, I shall want to go into this in more detail because I think there are certain matters that should be straightened out. I believe the minister would be well advised to see what could be done in connection with the further training of mechanics.

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Subtopic:   AMENDMENT TO CLARIFY AND EXTEND POWERS OF MINISTER, ETC.
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CCF

George Hugh Castleden

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. CASTLEDEN:

I was quite pleased to hear the statement of the hon. member who spoke for the manufacturers' association. Apparently we have made a great step forward, and I am quite sure we are going to get some action soon. The minister stated in September 1939 that not one contract offered by the war supply board was accepted with the five per cent limitation. Perhaps the hon. member should explain the reason for that, or would the minister make a statement?

Topic:   MUNITIONS AND SUPPLY
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT TO CLARIFY AND EXTEND POWERS OF MINISTER, ETC.
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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Munitions and Supply; Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

A good deal has been said about that limitation. It has been stated that the limitation of profit was five per cent of the cost of the product, but that was not the case. As my hon. friend knows, the limitation was five per cent of the capital employed in production. That is a very different matter. In practice that limitation proved to be so indefinite and complicated that no contract was accepted with the limitation. I may say that all the supplies the Department of Munitions and Supply have purchased since this war began have been produced at a profit which I am sure does not exceed five per cent.

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NAT

Douglas Gooderham Ross

National Government

Mr. ROSS (St. Paul's):

Under the bill to be brought in, will the minister have the power to carry on the training of men should a shortage of labour occur? When the labour resolution was before us, I asked the Minister of Labour (Mr. McLarty) to make a statement. Possibly the Minister of Munitions

and Supply could tell us what cooperation there is between his department and the Department of Labour in connection with this matter.

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Munitions and Supply; Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

I thought I had taken all the powers there were, but if there is any power not in the bill I shall be glad to include it following the suggestion of my hon. friend.

Resolution reported, read the second time and concurred in. Mr. Howe thereupon moved for leave to introduce Bill No. 41, to amend the Department of Munitions and Supply Act.

Motion agreed to and bill read the first time.

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AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS


Hon. J. G. GARDINER (Minister of Agriculture) .moved the second reading of Bill No. 24, to amend the Agricultural Products Cooperative Marketing Act, 1939. Motion agreed to, bill read the second time and the house went into committee thereon, Mr. Fournier (Hull) in the chair. Section 1 agreed to. On section 2-Cooperative association.


LIB

Pierre-François Casgrain (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. CASGRAIN:

I move that paragraph (b) of scetion 2 of the bill be amended by deleting the words " delivered to it for sale " and substituting the words " produced by the aforesaid primary producers ".

Topic:   MUNITIONS AND SUPPLY
Subtopic:   AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO PROVIDE FOR AGREEMENTS WITH COOPERATIVE ASSOCIATIONS AND PROCESSORS
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CON

Mark Cecil Senn

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SENN:

This puts the act back where it was before. There are certain objections to the bill as it stands at the present time. It seems to open up a large field and change the intention of the act. As I understood it, the act was intended to enable the primary producers to market their products by cooperative efforts, but this bill as it is would open up an entirely new field. Cooperative associations could be set up and take in and market any kind of goods, and they would be guaranteed against loss. I am glad to know that the minister has changed the wording back to the original form of the act. This act should be for the purpose of enabling the primary producers to market their own goods by cooperative efforts.

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Subtopic:   AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO PROVIDE FOR AGREEMENTS WITH COOPERATIVE ASSOCIATIONS AND PROCESSORS
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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

That is why I asked to have this paragraph amended.

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Subtopic:   AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO PROVIDE FOR AGREEMENTS WITH COOPERATIVE ASSOCIATIONS AND PROCESSORS
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CON

Mark Cecil Senn

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SENN:

What was the reason for the paragraph reading as it does?

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Subtopic:   AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS
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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

The proposal came from officials of the department who are administering the act. They felt that certain of

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these organizations would like to bring in under the operations of the act certain products that might be delivered to them for sale. It *was felt that those products could be handled under the same set-up as was provided for the handling of products delivered by producers who had organized. When this matter was brought before me later on, I pointed out just what has been pointed out now by the hon. member for Haldimand, and the result was that it was decided that the section should be changed back to its original form. The bill had already been printed and other changes would have been required in order to have the wording of this section apply to other following sections, so this method was thought to be the most simple.

Topic:   MUNITIONS AND SUPPLY
Subtopic:   AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO PROVIDE FOR AGREEMENTS WITH COOPERATIVE ASSOCIATIONS AND PROCESSORS
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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mt. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

The minister would say that this is a case of ill-digested legislation.

Topic:   MUNITIONS AND SUPPLY
Subtopic:   AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO PROVIDE FOR AGREEMENTS WITH COOPERATIVE ASSOCIATIONS AND PROCESSORS
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CON

Mark Cecil Senn

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SENN:

The minister has been wise in making that decision. The history of cooperative efforts in this country has not always been good. Cooperative organizations have been set up and have carried on successfully for a number of years. In some instances it was decided to broaden out and handle other products, and the result has always been that they got into deep water. I commend the minister for changing the bill back to the original form.

Topic:   MUNITIONS AND SUPPLY
Subtopic:   AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO PROVIDE FOR AGREEMENTS WITH COOPERATIVE ASSOCIATIONS AND PROCESSORS
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CCF

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. DOUGLAS (Weyburn):

Could we be clear about the amendment? As we understand it, the words "delivered to it for sale" are being struck out and other words substituted.

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Subtopic:   AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS
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June 14, 1940