May 10, 1943

NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

Was there not evidence that some trouble was brewing prior to the incident in question? And will the report of the court of inquiry be made public?

Topic:   CANADIAN ARMY
Subtopic:   REPORTS AS TO DISTURBANCES AT SUSSEX MILITARY CAMP
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LIB

James Layton Ralston (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

It is not usual to make

public the report of a court of inquiry. That will have to be considered at the time. It will be understood that this matter may involve a civil offence as well, and of course the civil proceedings will be made public. With regard to the first question, I am giving my hon. friend exactly what I got from Brigadier Topp. I have no evidence or suggestion that there has been any trouble of any kind brewing between these regiments.

Topic:   CANADIAN ARMY
Subtopic:   REPORTS AS TO DISTURBANCES AT SUSSEX MILITARY CAMP
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CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

One thing that puzzles

some people is where the bullet came from. Are the men permitted to carry live ammunition? I understood that that was against military regulations.

Topic:   CANADIAN ARMY
Subtopic:   REPORTS AS TO DISTURBANCES AT SUSSEX MILITARY CAMP
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LIB

James Layton Ralston (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

No, as a matter of fact

they are not.

Topic:   CANADIAN ARMY
Subtopic:   REPORTS AS TO DISTURBANCES AT SUSSEX MILITARY CAMP
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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

The report was made public when the hon. member for Portneuf was involved.

Topic:   CANADIAN ARMY
Subtopic:   REPORTS AS TO DISTURBANCES AT SUSSEX MILITARY CAMP
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PRICES AND TRADE BOARD

REFERENCE TO ANSWER TO QUESTION ON MAT 6 AS TO COMPTROLLER


On the orders of the day:


PC

George Russell Boucher

Progressive Conservative

Mr. G. R. BOUCHER (Carleton):

I should like to direct a question to the Minister of Finance with respect to the answer given to a question asked by me concerning an official of the wartime prices and trade board. The answer is found at page 2428 of Hansard: .

7, 8, 9, 10 and 19. In giving answer to questions, it is not considered in the public interest to disclose information regarding the deferment from military service of particular individuals merely because they are government employees.

Will the minister explain what is meant by the expression "merely because they are government employees"? I do not quite comprehend the significance of the word "merely" there as part of the answer.

Topic:   PRICES AND TRADE BOARD
Subtopic:   REFERENCE TO ANSWER TO QUESTION ON MAT 6 AS TO COMPTROLLER
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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Hon. J. L. ILSLEY (Minister of Finance):

If they were not government employees the question would not be asked in this house and of course would not be answered. I took the position as I saw these questions that we should not single out persons who are in the government service and just because they happen to be in the government service give answers regarding deferment asked for be granted. I do not think it is a matter that has anything to do with the discharge of their public duties, anything to do in a real sense with the public service of the country. That is on a different basis altogether from questions about salary or the manner in which they are discharging their duties. I do not think it is the kind of question that it is in the public interest to answer.

Topic:   PRICES AND TRADE BOARD
Subtopic:   REFERENCE TO ANSWER TO QUESTION ON MAT 6 AS TO COMPTROLLER
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BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE

INQUIRY AS TO SETTING UP OF WAR EXPENDITURES . COMMITTEE


On the orders of the day:


CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. M. J. COLDWELL (Rosetown-Biggar):

I should like to ask the Prime Minister whether he will endeavour some time this week to arrange for the setting up of the war expenditures committee. The session is getting on.

Topic:   BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE
Subtopic:   INQUIRY AS TO SETTING UP OF WAR EXPENDITURES . COMMITTEE
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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister):

I should not like to enter into the reasons which have made it impossible to reach that particular item on the agenda before this, but certainly almost every time the government has moved to get on with some of its most important legislation there have been interruptions for one reason or

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another. Other matters or measures have been brought up which have taken up a considerable amount of time. I understand the resolution referred to by my hon. friend is one that it is expected -will take up some considerable time in discussion. In that event I think it should stand over until we have completed the measure which the Minister of Finance has introduced with respect to war supplies and also the war appropriation bill.

Topic:   BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE
Subtopic:   INQUIRY AS TO SETTING UP OF WAR EXPENDITURES . COMMITTEE
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FARM LABOUR

AGREEMENTS WITH PROVINCES TO ASSIST IN ORGANIZATION OF MAN-POWER FOR AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION


On the orders of the day:


NAT

Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GORDON GRAYDON (Leader of the Opposition):

I should like to direct a question to the Minister of Labour. I understand from news dispatches that the dominion government proposes to enter into agreements with the provinces to share organization and other expenses in connection with the agricultural labour programme. I gave the minister notice, I think on Friday, that I intended to ask this question, but the opportunity did not present itself then. I should be glad if the minister would indicate to the house the purpose and nature and extent of these proposed agreements.

Topic:   FARM LABOUR
Subtopic:   AGREEMENTS WITH PROVINCES TO ASSIST IN ORGANIZATION OF MAN-POWER FOR AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION
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LIB

Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Hon. HUMPHREY MITCHELL (Minister of Labour):

In reply to the leader of the opposition I would say that we are entering into farm labour agreements with all of the provinces, the purpose of which is to assist the provinces to organize more effectively the man-power already engaged in agriculture, and to recruit, transport and place on farms during 1943^4, labourers, whether male or female, suitable for farm work, to the end that agricultural production objectives may be attained.

As to the nature of the agreements, their main feature is a definition of the terms and conditions under which the dominion will provide financial and other assistance to the provinces in carrying out the programmes. Under these agreements the dominion and the provinces share the costs of these programmes, other than the costs of moving farm workers from one province to another, on a dollar for dollar basis.

A dominion-provincial committee has been set up in each province to determine the kind of programme to be followed. While the

details of the programmes will vary from province to province, the underlying principles are similar.

The expenditures involved will naturally differ among provinces depending upon the size and the nature of the problem. A large share of the responsibility for the detailed administration of the farm labour programmes which are developed, will rest with the provinces. The agreements provide however that the facilities of the employment and selective service offices will be used wherever possible to implement the programmes.

To ensure the efficient operation of our own offices in carrying out their responsibilities in this joint effort, we have appointed an agricultural employment adviser for each region across Canada. Because of the size of the agricultural area, an adviser has been appointed for each province in the prairie region. It will be the duty of these men to see that the farm labour 'activities of local offices in their respective areas are properly coordinated with those of the dominion-provincial programme in each province. This will assure a more effective united attack on the problem.

The extent of the agreements this year may be more fully appreciated by some comparison with what was done in 1942. Last year agreements were arranged with six provinces. This year there will be an agreement with every province. Last year the agreements provided for a total dominion government contribution of $164,000. This year the dominion's contribution on a dollar for dollar basis will exceed half a million dollars. In addition, the dominion is prepared to spend up to $300,000 to move harvest and other farm labourers from one province to another. Last year's appropriation on this account was $250,000. The 1942 agreements were designed to meet the extra demands for seasonal workers for fruit, vegetable and grain harvesting. This year the aim is not only to meet the labour needs for seasonal peaks but also to meet the more urgent and more difficult problem of supplying steady experienced help for the greatly expanded dairy and live stock production.

Since I announced the farm labour policy on February 26 officials of the Department of Labour have visited all the provinces to discuss the farm labour problem with provincial authorities. A joint farm labour programme is now under way in every province. The agreements are being made under P.C. 3620.

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I now table a copy of this order in council together with a form copy of the agreements between the dominion and provinces. If after consideration of the order in council and draft agreement there are other questions which hon. members wish to bring forward I suggest that they be put on the order paper.

Topic:   FARM LABOUR
Subtopic:   AGREEMENTS WITH PROVINCES TO ASSIST IN ORGANIZATION OF MAN-POWER FOR AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION
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May 10, 1943