June 25, 1943

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Liguori Lacombe

Independent Liberal

Mr. LACOMBE (Translation):

I am not insinuating anything. I hope he may be appointed a judge in the Terrebonne district.

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Maurice Lalonde

Liberal

Mr. LALONDE (Translation):

I would ask you, Mr. Chairman, to order the hon. member for Laval-Two Mountains to confine his remarks to the matter before the committee.

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Liguori Lacombe

Independent Liberal

Mr. LACOMBE (Translation):

It is an indiscretion, Mr. Chairman,. possibly because judges are appointed by the Minister of Justice, not by me. I am the leader of a small party, the only leader-

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Liguori Lacombe

Independent Liberal

Mr. LACOMBE (Translation):

Great oaks from little acorns grow. I hope that my good friend from Labelle may get a judgeship as soon as possible because otherwise he will take a good licking in his own constituency and I would not get much satisfaction in ensuring his defeat for he is a good friend of mine, but we will have to stick to our principles and fight him.

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Rodolphe Leduc

Liberal

Mr. LEDUC (Translation):

The hon. member has been so successful in some by-elections that he must be right.

Mr. LACOMBE (Translation) AVe shall see. The hon. member should not raise the question of by-elections, because that would hurt the Minister of Justice, his leader. We will have the opportunity to talk about it later. I have raised in this house the question of fake voters' lists used in the constituencies of Quebec East and Montreal-Saint Mary and I was prevented from arguing the point.

Mr. ST. LAURENT (Translation): I ask

that the rules be applied, Mr. Chairman. The hon, member is absolutely out of order in mak-

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ing these innuendoes which he knows as well as I do to be false, wrhile the estimates of the Minister of Labour are before the committee. I ask you to call him to order.

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Joseph-Arthur Bradette (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN (Translation):

On the point of order raised by the hon. Minister of Justice, I again remind the hon. member for Laval-Two Mountains that he must confine his remarks to the question before the house and I hope that he will abide by my ruling. Otherwise I shall have to name him.

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Liguori Lacombe

Independent Liberal

Mr. LAOOMBE (Translation):

Mr. Chairman, if I said anything displeasing to the Minister of Justice, it is because his friends have raised a point of order. At the opportune moment we will discuss all that and we will talk about the elections held on February 9, 1942, in Quebec East and Montreal-Saint Mary. It is a long time since that happened, but we have kept the voters' lists as well as the telegrams.

Mr. Chairman, what about the useless cuts of lumber and construction waste which are prevalent in those war plants? At a time when there is such a shortage of fuel wood and lumber, the government takes no notice of such disgraceful abuses. Therefore, it is our duty to expose those prodigalities, all of which are detrimental to Canada. Next winter, needy families will freeze because of the government's lack of foresight. I can see the hon. Minister of Labour smiling, his sympathetic face is just beaming. The poor people of the country will not be smiling then. The hon. member for Labelle will not be smiling either, he who, together with two other French-Canadian members of the House of Commons, has applauded the statement of the Minister of Justice to the effect that Houde should remain in the internment camp. What kindness of heart! That afforded pleasure to the hon. member for Labelle.

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Maurice Lalonde

Liberal

Mr. LALONDE (Translation):

Certainly.

I hope that he will remain there for a long time.

Mr. ST. LAURENT (Translation): Mr. Chairman, does your task consist in merely expressing a wish that hon. members confine their remarks to the matter under discussion, or should it imply that hon. members cannot everlastingly revert to it despite your ruling?

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Joseph-Arthur Bradette (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN (Translation):

The chairman of the committee is in a rather delicate position. There are some rules which the chairman is bound to enforce under penalty of losing the confidence of the committee. I hope the hon. member for Laval-Two Mountains will find it possible, under the present circumstances, to confine his remarks to relevant matters. This is the last time I appeal to the good will of the hon. member.

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Liguori Lacombe

Independent Liberal

Mr. LACOMBE (Translation):

Mr. Chairman, we are now debating a resolution appearing in the orders of the day. This is all I have in front of me. As a lawyer, and the hon. Minister of Justice is a very brilliant lawyer, he knows that I have to confine myself to the terms of the resolution. This is what I am doing. I shall read it to the committee:

Resolved,-that it is expedient to introduce a measure to provide, inter alia,

Among other things, I might say, for the benefit of those who do not know Latin.

1. That sums not exceeding $2,593,333,333.34 (being two-thirds of $3,890,000,000) be granted to His Majesty towards defraying any expenses or making any advances or loans that may be incurred or granted by or under authority of the governor in council during the year ending March 31, 1944, for-

(a) the security, defence, peace, order and welfare of Canada;

Here is a very broad paragraph; however, I see nothing in it of a nature to protect agriculture.

(b) the conduct of naval, military and air operations in or beyond Canada;

(c) promoting the continuance of trade, industry and business communications.

Am I not entitled to discuss what is taking place in the war industries? Am I not entitled, Mr. Chairman, to discuss public order and Canadian legislation; am I not entitled to speak of the internment of Mr. Camillien Houde, under such an item as this?

Mr. ST. LAURENT (Translation): Order!

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Liguori Lacombe

Independent Liberal

Mr. LACOMBE (Translation):

The Minister of Justice is a great lawyer.

Mr. ST. LAURENT (Translation): I understood a while ago, that you had given a ruling, Mr. Chairman, and that the hon member was not entitled, at this stage, to discuss the internment of Mr. Houde.

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Joseph-Arthur Bradette (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN (Translation):

I request the hon. member for Laval-Two Mountains to resume his seat.

Mr. ST. LAURENT (Translation)': The

hon. member is dealing again with the matter and his whole argument purports to show that your ruling was unwarranted. On a point of order, I submit to you that once you have given a ruling, it is not in order for an hon. member to question it. He must simply abide by it.

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Liguori Lacombe

Independent Liberal

Mr. LACOMBE (Translation):

I realize

that the hon. the Minister of Justice, while he is- an outstanding barrister, acting as he does as solicitor for the bank of Montreal, the Canadian Pacific, and every monoply and trust, has not much parliamentary experience. He ought to know that I am entitled to discuss here a

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matter of public concern, a legislation of a public character, under which a Canadian citizen has been interned. He ought to know that. In any case, Mr. Chairman, if I am prevented from speaking, that is all right, but I know that the Minister of Justice wishes to withhold something.

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June 25, 1943