July 15, 1943

NAT

John Ritchie MacNicol

National Government

Mr. MacNICOL:

You send them to an

area and they take their equipment and carry on their investigation, and When they report they are paid for the length of time they have taken, are they not? *

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NAT

Douglas King Hazen

National Government

Mr. HAZEN:

Does this item include the

cost of the investigation recently made into the shale deposits in Albert county?

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

That is correct.

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NAT

Douglas King Hazen

National Government

Mr. HAZEN:

Could the minister tell us

what was the cost of that investigation, who made it and how long it took?

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

We provided $50,000 for . that purpose, of which $42,611 was spent.

*0 Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury): Did the * province of New Brunswick contribute any-i thing?

The War

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

Twenty-five per cent.

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NAT

John Ritchie MacNicol

National Government

Mr. MacNICOL:

Was that work done under the direction of Doctor S. C. Ells?

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

It was under the direction of another departmental geologist.

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LIB

Manley Justin Edwards

Liberal

Mr. EDWARDS:

I presume the information gained through this seismograph work is made available to the public as soon as it is obtained, and I should like the minister to tell us how that is done. I wish to know also whether there is any general policy in regard to doing seismograph work in areas already leased to development companies. I have in mind one area west of Rocky Mountain House, for instance, where there is a very large potential field. One well has been drilled there at tremendous expense, costing something over $500,000. I should assume that it would be desirable to do more intensive work in examining the potentialities of that area, but I can see also that such work would be to the benefit of a company which is already in there with a very large leasehold. The work being done by the department is desirable and commendable, but I was wondering whether the department was confining its exploratory work to areas not already leased, or whether it was giving some assistance to companies possessing areas not yet proven up.

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

I believe this is the first year the federal government has spent money on the seismograph method, though I understand that certain oil companies which have areas in Alberta under permit or licence have used the method, which is a common practice in the United States. However, we are not spending any money now in areas under the control of private companies. I am informed that our tests by the seismograph method will be confined almost wholly, if not entirely, to Wainwright national park, which is still under the control of the federal government. The survey may be carried outside the boundaries, but it is a new thing. The officers of the department think it has possibilities, and my judgment is that it will probably pay the government to incorporate permanently in its geological survey work the seismographic method.

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Richard Burpee Hanson

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

Is money being spent in eastern Canada?

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Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

There have been investigations in New Brunswick, and some in Nova Scotia.

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Richard Burpee Hanson

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

Anything in the Gaspe district?

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

No, nothing in the Gaspe district.

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SC

Robert Fair

Social Credit

Mr. FAIR:

Is any work being done in the Lloydminster or Vermilion oil fields?

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

Some work is being done in the Vermilion district.

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LIB

Joseph-Arthur Bradette (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

Shall the item carry?

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CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

Eleven o'clock.

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

Did the item not pass?

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Richard Burpee Hanson

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

No.

Item stands.

Progress reported.

It being five minutes after eleven o'clock, the house adjourned, without question put, pursuant to standing order.

Friday, July 16, 1943

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July 15, 1943