February 11, 1944

NAT

Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

Are you prepared to bring down the bill?

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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

I have not been able to get the house to agree. I have tried to get resolutions out of committee by saying, "Let us talk about this on the bill." Now that someone else proposes it I agree with the proposal, but I have never been able to get the house to agree with me. When we get to the bill we shall do on one section of the bill exactly what for the last three or four years we have done on the resolution; that is, the departments would have to be taken up one by one in order and fully discussed, which, I think, might have the effect of doing away with some duplication, if we can get the resolution reported.

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NAT

Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

Would the minister include the estimates in a schedule to the bill?

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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

No; that is the point I want to make clear.

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NAT

Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

There is not much use in making a change unless you do that.

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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

That cannot be done because there must be elasticity in the expenditure .of these funds. In a war you cannot say how much you need for one purpose rather than another purpose. These are estimates at the present time. There must be transfers from one item to another, from one department to another, in a great many cases.

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NAT

Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

Does that not answer the whole thing? If you are not going to add a schedule, why change the arrangement?

Labour Conditions-Wages Control

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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

To get rid of some duplication. I suggest to the leader of the opposition that he think about the matter between now and Monday. It depends very much on what he says about it. I am just going along the way I did last year and the year before because the house would not vote the money, they would not pass the resolution giving us billions of dollars unless they had an account of our expenditures of the year before. They never would do it. If they will do this year I shall be very happy.

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NAT

Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

You would be the first

one to ask the same questions if you were leader of the opposition.

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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

I do not know if I would or not.

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Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

If you did not you would not be a very good leader of the opposition.

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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

I am not disagreeing with anybody. I am just, saying, if you do agree with the suggestion of the hon. member for Rosetown-Biggar, I am agreeable.

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LIB

Joseph-Arthur Bradette (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

Shall the resolution carry?

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Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

No. I think it depends upon the addition of the schedule.

Mr. GRAYDON; Everything depends upon that.

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CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

That is what I had in mind, anyhow.

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NAT

Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

If you are not going to have the schedule let us go on as we were. I think the decision can be made now.

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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

All right.

Progress reported.

On motion of Mr. Mackenzie King the house adjourned at 6.12 p.m.

Monday, February 14, 1944

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