May 30, 1944

LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of Finance)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

If the business were one dealing with something in short supply he would have to take his chance on getting a quota. The partner who continued in business would retain the quota that went with that business.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. KNOWLES:

I should like to deal with an item related to wartime prices and trade board order No. 223, which is an order respecting the distribution and use of print paper within Canada. I may point out that earlier this evening charges were hurled back and forth across the floor that members were indulging in partisan political debate. Before anyone makes any charge of that kind may I say quite frankly that I am going to speak briefly about a matter that has special reference to a political party. There is, of course, only one party that I would speak about. The Manitoba section of the Cooperative Commonwealth Federation, like a number of other sections of our party, publishes a paper. It is called the Manitoba Commonwealth. I have copies of it in my hand.

One thing is clear. This is a political paper and has been from its start. Its whole aim is to educate the people of Canada as to the superiority of the policies of the C.C.F. On May 16 of this year the director of publishing, of the Publishing, Printing and Allied Industries Administration, Mr. F. F. Macnab, wrote to Mr. Lloyd Stinson, editor of the Manitoba Commonwealth at 411 Confederation Life building, Winnipeg, Manitoba, informing him that during 1943 this paper had over-used its quota and that until some proposal came forward from the editor as to how this overuse was to be made good, permit would be withheld for the Manitoba C.C.F. to continue the publication of its paper. Mr. Stinson, the editor, and Manitoba C.C.F. provincial secre-

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tary, wrote back to Mr. Macnab on May 19 and sent me copies of the correspondence, following which I wrote to Mr. Macnab under date of May 27. I have not had a reply as yet, but I am not complaining unduly of that because there has not been a great deal of time.- I rise to bring the matter up to-night because, if I do not do so on this item and the matter is not dealt with satisfactorily, I shall not have another opportunity to do so.

May I point out to the parliamentary assistant that order 223 as a matter of fact may be a little over-generous. I am not complaining about the order at all. But its terms are such that there should be no restriction on paper for this publication because section 4 (b) reads as follows:

4. This order shall not apply to

(b) any newspaper or other periodical which, in the opinion of the administrator, is published by any religious, charitable^ philanthropic, educational, scientific, professional, political, labour or other non-profit organization.

I point out that the paper is published- and this is very clear from its masthead-by a political party, the Manitoba section of the C.C.F.

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of Finance)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

What about the proviso? My hon. friend appreciates that, "provided always that the exemptions granted," and so forth.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. KNOWLES:

I will read the proviso:

Provided always that the exemptions granted by this section shall not apply to any newspaper or other periodical that is published primarily for advertiseing purposes, or derives its principal earned revenue from advertising.

The proviso does not affect this paper because it is not published primarily for advertising purposes, nor does it derive its principal revenue from advertising, but from subscriptions and from donations of members of the party to sustain the publication of the paper.

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of Finance)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

If those facts are as stated I am advised that the newspaper will receive a certificate of exemption under this section.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. KNOWLES:

I am very glad to hear that. We were aware of the fact that other political parties seemed to get increased quotas of paper. The paper known as Public Opinion, for instance-

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NAT

Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

It is the quality of that paper that gives it a preference.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. KNOWLES:

I may say to the leader of the opposition that it is partly because of the tremendous amount of advertising which Public Opinion has given to the C.C.F. that

there has been an increase in our subscriptions and we need more paper to meet that increase. The increase is due to the advertising which has been given to the C.C.F. not only by Public Opinion but also by the circulation of the Saskatchewan Liberal. These papers are giving the C.C.F. so much publicity that our circulation has increased, and that is the reason for the requirement of extra paper. I am very glad indeed to have the assurance of the parliamentary assistant that there will be no difficulty about getting it. I was sure that there must have been a mistake.

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Item agreed to. Commodity Prices Stabilization Corporation, $140,000,000.


CCF

Joseph William Noseworthy

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. NOSEWORTHY:

When the estimates of the Minister of Agriculture were before the committee there was brought to his attention the subsidy that was supposed to have been paid on potatoes, and I think that matter should be brought up on this item. I have received a number of communications from the potato growing sections of New Brunswick which I visited last fall, and I have in my files a number of newspaper clippings pointing out that there was supposed to have been a subsidy paid by this corporation on early potatoes.

The information I have is that one dealer in this particular part of the province, and one private grower at least, received subsidies on the quantities of potatoes that they shipped out in July and August. I have information that one of the shippers distributed the subsidy to his growers and that this ran anywhere from $90 to $1,000. Apparently he is about the only shipper who took advantage of that, or took advantage in time to get a subsidy. Then something happened, and other growers and shippers have been unable to get that subsidy. The row which has developed over that is that, according to my information, the enterprising shipper who took advantage of the situation and secured the subsidy was a former Liberal candidate. That has raised considerable political turmoil. I think the parliamentary assistant should give us some information as to what the situation is.

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SC

James Alexander Marshall

Social Credit

Mr. MARSHALL:

I think that, with a corporation such as this, spending so large an amount of money from the treasury, we should have a full and complete report from the minister. I should also be glad if he would bring the financial statement of this Commodity Prices Stabilization Corporation up to date as to the operations. Has he the figures

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with respect to the operations of this company, we will say to the end of the last financial year?

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of Finance)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

On the point just raised by . my hon. friend, I had not anticipated that we would be fortunate enough to reach the estimates of the Commodity Prices Stabilization Corporation this evening. However, we have done so. It is five minutes to eleven. I expected to have the officers of the corporation on the floor in front of me in order to assist me in explaining some of these figures. Perhaps in the circumstances the committee would be willing to call it eleven o'clock.

Progress reported.

On motion of Mr. Ralston the house adjourned at eleven o'clock until Thursday at four o'clock p.m.

Thursday, June 1, 1944

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May 30, 1944