June 8, 1944

LIB

Angus Lewis Macdonald (Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD (Kingston City):

I

expected that my hon. friend would take that

Naval Service Act

ground, since he has taken it consistently throughout the session. The matter is one I must discuss with my senior colleagues, the Minister of National Defence and the Minister of National Defence for Air.

Topic:   NAVAL SERVICE ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENTS AND CONSOLIDATION-ADAPTATION OF UNITED KINGDOM NAVAL DISCIPLINE ACT, 1866
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NAT

Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

Perhaps this will be an easy way for both the ministry and the opposition to let the women in the forces in on an equal basis?

Topic:   NAVAL SERVICE ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENTS AND CONSOLIDATION-ADAPTATION OF UNITED KINGDOM NAVAL DISCIPLINE ACT, 1866
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NAT

Howard Charles Green

National Government

Mr. GREEN:

Paragraph (e) in section 2 reads:

"general orders" means orders and instructions issued to the naval forces by the minister or under his authority.

Who would be able to issue orders under the authority of the minister? Why should that not be done by the minister himself or someone acting as the minister?

Topic:   NAVAL SERVICE ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENTS AND CONSOLIDATION-ADAPTATION OF UNITED KINGDOM NAVAL DISCIPLINE ACT, 1866
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LIB

Angus Lewis Macdonald (Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD (Kingston City):

There are many cases where the minister must delegate to someone, perhaps on the coast or in Newfoundland or in Londonderry, the power to do something. He, of course, would have to confine himself to those things which he had the right to delegate. There might be cases where it would be very convenient to the minister to delegate powers to make certain orders.

Topic:   NAVAL SERVICE ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENTS AND CONSOLIDATION-ADAPTATION OF UNITED KINGDOM NAVAL DISCIPLINE ACT, 1866
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Section agreed to. Sections 3, 4 and 5 agreed to. On section 6-Rates of pay.


NAT

Grote Stirling

National Government

Mr. STIRLING:

The explanation reads:

There is no corresponding section in the present act, but rates of pay and allowances have always been and should, it is considered, continue to be fixed by order in council.

Topic:   NAVAL SERVICE ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENTS AND CONSOLIDATION-ADAPTATION OF UNITED KINGDOM NAVAL DISCIPLINE ACT, 1866
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LIB

Angus Lewis Macdonald (Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD (Kingston City):

Rates of pay of ratings and officers have been the subject of order in council. I think that is one responsibility that should rest there. When you begin to regulate the pay of thousands of men-it is now about 90,000 men and officers- it is perhaps well that the governor in council should be the one to fix the rates. That has always been the case and it is being continued.

Topic:   NAVAL SERVICE ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENTS AND CONSOLIDATION-ADAPTATION OF UNITED KINGDOM NAVAL DISCIPLINE ACT, 1866
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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. KNOWLES:

That is subject to treasury board now.

Topic:   NAVAL SERVICE ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENTS AND CONSOLIDATION-ADAPTATION OF UNITED KINGDOM NAVAL DISCIPLINE ACT, 1866
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NAT

Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

That is the shadow that falls over everything.

Topic:   NAVAL SERVICE ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENTS AND CONSOLIDATION-ADAPTATION OF UNITED KINGDOM NAVAL DISCIPLINE ACT, 1866
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LIB

Angus Lewis Macdonald (Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD (Kingston City):

The treasury board considers the matter and passes its minute which is approved by the council as a whole. The treasury board has not the final word in these matters.

On section 7-Chief of the Naval Staff.

Topic:   NAVAL SERVICE ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENTS AND CONSOLIDATION-ADAPTATION OF UNITED KINGDOM NAVAL DISCIPLINE ACT, 1866
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NAT

John Ritchie MacNicol

National Government

Mr. MacNICOL:

Is the chief officer in the British service and in the United States service a rear admiral?

Topic:   NAVAL SERVICE ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENTS AND CONSOLIDATION-ADAPTATION OF UNITED KINGDOM NAVAL DISCIPLINE ACT, 1866
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LIB

Angus Lewis Macdonald (Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD (Kingston City):

No; they are of higher rank. It says, "not lower in rank, than rear admiral." His title is now changed to "chief of the naval staff" instead of "director of naval services." That has been the title ever since I came here and I think it is a much better one.

Topic:   NAVAL SERVICE ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENTS AND CONSOLIDATION-ADAPTATION OF UNITED KINGDOM NAVAL DISCIPLINE ACT, 1866
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Item agreed to. On section 8-Permanent naval force.


NAT

Howard Charles Green

National Government

Mr. GREEN:

Is the minister in a position to give us any more details than he did during the discussion of his war appropriations, with regard to plans for a permanent navy after the war?

Topic:   NAVAL SERVICE ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENTS AND CONSOLIDATION-ADAPTATION OF UNITED KINGDOM NAVAL DISCIPLINE ACT, 1866
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LIB

Angus Lewis Macdonald (Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD (Kingston City):

I

think I intimated at that time that there was authority from the cabinet to have a navy of some eight or nine thousand men after the war. That is the only authority we have, and I cannot add anything to what I said when the war appropriation bill was under discussion.

Topic:   NAVAL SERVICE ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENTS AND CONSOLIDATION-ADAPTATION OF UNITED KINGDOM NAVAL DISCIPLINE ACT, 1866
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NAT

Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

I suppose it will depend upon how far Canada commits herself in connection with the world organization with respect to an international police force?

Topic:   NAVAL SERVICE ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENTS AND CONSOLIDATION-ADAPTATION OF UNITED KINGDOM NAVAL DISCIPLINE ACT, 1866
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LIB

Angus Lewis Macdonald (Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD (Kingston City):

I

fancy that would have some bearing.

Topic:   NAVAL SERVICE ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENTS AND CONSOLIDATION-ADAPTATION OF UNITED KINGDOM NAVAL DISCIPLINE ACT, 1866
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NAT

Grote Stirling

National Government

Mr. STIRLING:

That was the understanding arrived at some years ago, was it not?

Topic:   NAVAL SERVICE ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENTS AND CONSOLIDATION-ADAPTATION OF UNITED KINGDOM NAVAL DISCIPLINE ACT, 1866
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LIB

Angus Lewis Macdonald (Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD (Kingston City):

The complement was arrived at in 1941.

Topic:   NAVAL SERVICE ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENTS AND CONSOLIDATION-ADAPTATION OF UNITED KINGDOM NAVAL DISCIPLINE ACT, 1866
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Section agreed to. Progress reported. At eleven o'clock the house adjourned, without question put, pursuant to standing order. Friday, June 9, 1944


June 8, 1944