September 26, 1945

PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. DIEFENBAKER:

I am glad we have heard of the statistical experts. I presume those statistical experts would be the experts of the dominion bureau of statistics. I have here the latest statistics issued by the dominion bureau of statistics, being a review of agricultural business issued by the marketing service of the Department of Agriculture. This is the August issue, and it sets out the facts with unerring accuracy. It reveals that there is no parity price being paid to-day for Canadian farm products.

Topic:   GOVERNOR GENERAL'S SPEECH
Subtopic:   CONTINUATION OF DEBATE IN REPLY
Permalink
LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

Where does it say that? Read it.

Topic:   GOVERNOR GENERAL'S SPEECH
Subtopic:   CONTINUATION OF DEBATE IN REPLY
Permalink
PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. DIEFENBAKER:

I am glad to have some curiosity indicated, and I shall endeavour to satisfy it if the minister will wait just a moment. I am referring to the Economic Annalist, page 50, which gives the annual and monthly index numbers for wholesale prices, living costs and production indexes computed by the dominion bureau of statistics. Usually 1926 is the period taken as 100, and that is the period taken here in the determination of these figures. I am going to give the latest available figures, and I am not picking out one at the expense of another less favourable figure. The May, 1945, index for the wholesale prices of all commodities was 103 as compared with 100 in 1926. The farm products index is given as 104-6, and field products as 94-8. This index covers the wholesale prices of grain, fruits and vegetables. Next is animal products, 121-1, which refers to the wholesale prices of animals and animal products. Then we come down to the cost of the commodities which the farmer has to buy. There are eleven factors which determine the cost of the commodities and services used by the farmer, and in May, 1945, the 47696-314

index figure for those eleven factors was 142-0; based on 1935-39 numbers. I will tell you what they are. The index number comprises eleven factors; farm implements, building materials, gasoline, oil and grease, feed, fertilizer, binder twine, seed and hardware, and in addition, taxes, interest and farm wage rates. In other words, on these statistics, prices for animal products in this country to-day are considerably below parity. In other words, they represent a relationship of 121-1 to 142, and so far as field products are concerned they represent a relationship of 94-8 to 142, clearly establishing this one fact, that to-day, after more than five and a half years of war, with our field product farm prices as high as they have ever been except for beef, they are still considerably below, some twenty-five per cent below in the case of animal and grain products, the parity price on the -basis of the return that I have just laid before the house.

M-r. GARDINER: It does not show that.

Topic:   GOVERNOR GENERAL'S SPEECH
Subtopic:   CONTINUATION OF DEBATE IN REPLY
Permalink
LIB

Walter Adam Tucker

Liberal

Mr. TUCKER:

If the hon. member wl'"

permit a question-

Topic:   GOVERNOR GENERAL'S SPEECH
Subtopic:   CONTINUATION OF DEBATE IN REPLY
Permalink
?

Some hon. MEMBERS:

Oh.

Topic:   GOVERNOR GENERAL'S SPEECH
Subtopic:   CONTINUATION OF DEBATE IN REPLY
Permalink
LIB

Walter Adam Tucker

Liberal

Mr. TUCKER:

I was asked question*

when I was speaking, but the hon. gentleman does not seem to be willing to return the courtesy.

Topic:   GOVERNOR GENERAL'S SPEECH
Subtopic:   CONTINUATION OF DEBATE IN REPLY
Permalink
PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. DIEFENBAKER:

I have never consciously run away from questions, but at the moment I am answering an argument which I listened to in silence.

Topic:   GOVERNOR GENERAL'S SPEECH
Subtopic:   CONTINUATION OF DEBATE IN REPLY
Permalink
LIB

Walter Adam Tucker

Liberal

Mr. TUCKER:

I take it that the hon.

member does not want to answer my question.

Topic:   GOVERNOR GENERAL'S SPEECH
Subtopic:   CONTINUATION OF DEBATE IN REPLY
Permalink
PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. DIEFENBAKER:

What is the question?

Topic:   GOVERNOR GENERAL'S SPEECH
Subtopic:   CONTINUATION OF DEBATE IN REPLY
Permalink
LIB

Walter Adam Tucker

Liberal

Mr. TUCKER:

In view of the fast that

the law provides that the board shall establish-a parity price, is the hon. member against a 100 per cent parity price and in favour of ninety per cent parity?

Topic:   GOVERNOR GENERAL'S SPEECH
Subtopic:   CONTINUATION OF DEBATE IN REPLY
Permalink
PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. DIEFENBAKER:

That is a i-ry

proper question, and I will answer it in this-way. If to-d-ay we had a ninety per cent parity price, the price of wheat would not i

Topic:   GOVERNOR GENERAL'S SPEECH
Subtopic:   CONTINUATION OF DEBATE IN REPLY
Permalink
LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

It is $1.55 now.

Topic:   GOVERNOR GENERAL'S SPEECH
Subtopic:   CONTINUATION OF DEBATE IN REPLY
Permalink
PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. DIEFENBAKER:

The hon. member

for Rosthern made a speech and traversed almost everything, and I listened patiently as he took us from Russia to the horse-meat factories, but now-

Topic:   GOVERNOR GENERAL'S SPEECH
Subtopic:   CONTINUATION OF DEBATE IN REPLY
Permalink
LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

Will my hon. friend

agree that parity on wheat is $1.28?

The Address-Mr. Diejenbaker

Topic:   GOVERNOR GENERAL'S SPEECH
Subtopic:   CONTINUATION OF DEBATE IN REPLY
Permalink
PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. DIEFENBAKER:

That is ninety per .cent of parity on wheat, $1.28.

Topic:   GOVERNOR GENERAL'S SPEECH
Subtopic:   CONTINUATION OF DEBATE IN REPLY
Permalink
LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

It is $1.55 right now.

Topic:   GOVERNOR GENERAL'S SPEECH
Subtopic:   CONTINUATION OF DEBATE IN REPLY
Permalink
PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. DIEFENBAKER:

We are talking

about a floor price.

Topic:   GOVERNOR GENERAL'S SPEECH
Subtopic:   CONTINUATION OF DEBATE IN REPLY
Permalink
LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

That is not what the

farmer gets. He gets participation.

Topic:   GOVERNOR GENERAL'S SPEECH
Subtopic:   CONTINUATION OF DEBATE IN REPLY
Permalink
PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. DIEFENBAKER:

Let us get back to the terms of the resolution. There is one thing about the hon. member for Ro3thern. He legalizes and rationalizes, and he said: We have an agricultural prices support act mow wherein the principle of parity was accepted by parliament, and he asks: Are we going to depart from its provisions? What we want, Mr. Speaker, is not only the principle of parity accepted. What we want is the practice of the principle accepted by this government.

Topic:   GOVERNOR GENERAL'S SPEECH
Subtopic:   CONTINUATION OF DEBATE IN REPLY
Permalink
LIB

Walter Adam Tucker

Liberal

Mr. TUCKER:

We want 100 per cent

parity.

Topic:   GOVERNOR GENERAL'S SPEECH
Subtopic:   CONTINUATION OF DEBATE IN REPLY
Permalink

September 26, 1945