October 4, 1945

LIB

Colin William George Gibson (Minister of National Defence for Air)

Liberal

Mr. GIBSON (Hamilton West):

No. That has been granted by treasury board to the airforce; but that does not say that we have actually paid out that much money.

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LIB

Colin William George Gibson (Minister of National Defence for Air)

Liberal

Mr. GIBSON (Hamilton West):

For the

four months the actual expenditure amounted to $196,965,237. But the point I wish to make clear is this, that there is no use in going on a month-to-month basis, and averaging out our expenditures according to the amount we have spent in five months of the year. I would suggest that hon. members, from the schedules I have placed on the table of the house, make a comparison of the expenditures or requirements for the year 1944-45 with the amount asked for this year.

In 1944-45 the actual amount was $1,090 million. This year we are asking for 8598 million, which is, roughly speaking, about fifty-four per cent of what was voted in the previous year. Consequently, that is the comparison which should be made, and not the comparison as to what we were authorized to spend in five months, or what we actually spent in five months; because it is the overall commitment for the year that gives the indication as to whether we are actually saving money or whether we are being extravagant.

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John Bracken (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. BRACKEN:

What purpose is served

by the first column on page 551 of Hansard?

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LIB

Colin William George Gibson (Minister of National Defence for Air)

Liberal

Mr. GIBSON (Hamilton West):

It just

shows the amount released by treasury board to the department.

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John Bracken (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. BRACKEN:

It is no good to us.

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PC

John Bracken (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. BRACKEN:

I think every hon. member wishes to help the minister to get ahead with his estimates, to a point where he can give us whatever information he has concerning his expenditures. A short time ago some hon. member asked if the minister had the expenditures for five months in connection with the first item, and the minister answered. Then he said at a later time that he had the expenditures only for four months. I suggest that if the minister has the actual expenditures for four months he should give them to us to-morrow. Perhaps that is all he has and all he can give us.

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Colin William George Gibson (Minister of National Defence for Air)

Liberal

Mr. GIBSON (Hamilton West):

Possibly

I can obtain them for five months. I have them with me for four months, and I shall try to-morrow to have them for five.

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PC

John Bracken (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. BRACKEN:

If the minister could give us that, perhaps that is all he could give us.

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LIB

Colin William George Gibson (Minister of National Defence for Air)

Liberal

Mr. GIBSON (Hamilton West):

The

increased fuel cost comes about solely because of methods which have been adopted for payment. During the time of the training agreements in Canada the fuel was being secured through lend-lease by Great Britain, and supplied by Great Britain as part of her contribution, so that we did not have to pay for it. Later on, there was a change in the method of providing fuel, and the cost of that item was consequently increased.

However, the actual consumption of gasoline in 1944-45 was 170,907,400 gallons. The estimated amount for 1945-46 is 66,278,800, showing a very great saving in the consumption of gasoline. The increase in that item is owing to the method adopted for payment.

That is why I should like to have the committee go through these items, one by one, so that explanations can be given in logical order. We would not have to go from one item to another and hop about without having full explanations of the various questions brought up. I should like to deal with each question fully when we come to each item.

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Gordon Knapman Fraser

Progressive Conservative

Mr. FRASER:

As I said before, items Nos 9 and 10 go together. That is why we should have extra information in a properly prepared statement. If the minister could prepare another statement for to-morrow it would help a great deal.

Progress reported.

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At eleven o'clock the house adjourned, without question put, pursuant to standing order. Friday, October, 5, 1945.


October 4, 1945