December 7, 1945

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James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

That is right.

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George Randolph Pearkes

Progressive Conservative

Mr. PEARICES:

I think this question has

to do with production. Does the list of subsidies which has been tabled include the subsidies on feed grains to British Columbia? On November 27 the minister promised to make a statement on that.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

I can give the statement on British Columbia, though it is all included in the other statement.

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George Randolph Pearkes

Progressive Conservative

Mr. PEARKES:

Then I will see it there.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

The total amount paid from October, 1941, to the present time is S5.437.508.

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George Randolph Pearkes

Progressive Conservative

Mr. PEARKES:

And those subsidies will

continue?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

I cannot say definitely

that they will. That is a matter of government policy. The present order in council leaves it indefinite; if nothing is done about it the subsidy goes on.

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Clayton Wesley Hodgson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. HODGSON:

I should like to know

why the minister has not brought in both ceiling and floor prices on all farm commodities. If he has not had time to do so, or there is any other reason, will he bring in something of that kind at the next session of parliament? [DOT]

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

A ceiling price on all

farm commodities?

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Clayton Wesley Hodgson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. HODGSON:

Ceiling and floor prices?

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James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

The ceiling price is on

the meat product, for example, in connection with hogs. There is neithel* a ceiling nor a floor on hogs, but there is a ceiling on the different cuts of pork.

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Clayton Wesley Hodgson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. HODGSON:

I was more particularly

interested in floor prices.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

And there is a floor

price which is put on through the contract we have with Britain. Our inspectors keep checking on the relationship of pork prices to the price of hogs.

I think we can say that since we started these contracts the price has never been for any period of time beyond, perhaps, a day or so, below the floor price.

Sup-ply-Agriculture

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Heber Harold Hatfield

Progressive Conservative

Mr. HATFIELD:

I should like to ask when the floor prices board is going to function.

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James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

Well, the legislation we were discussing yesterday has some bearing on that. If we in this house had decided that the War Measures Act was not going to be continued, or the principles of the act were not to be continued, we should have had to bring the floor prices measure into effect immediately. But as it is now, it will depend somewhat upon when controls are taken off the marketing of farm products.

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Clayton Wesley Hodgson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. HODGSON:

I do not think the minister answered my question. I should like to know more about floor prices. Will the government bring in some form of floor price measure at the next session of parliament?

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James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

We did that a year ago. We brought in a bill which provides for floor prices. I think I have stated twice before to the committee how these floor prices will be arranged, and I answered the question just now to the hon. member for Victoria-Carleton. I cannot give an exact date as to when the board will start to operate under this act. So long as we can maintain the present position under the legislation we now have, I assume we shall go on under that legislation.

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Thomas John Bentley

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. BENTLEY:

We are dealing with subsidies on freight. I wonder whether what I am going to ask is related to a subsidy or a freight differential. I believe that in Lethbridge there is a firm which makes a product known as Alfa-Lasses. I have a letter from someone in my constituency to the effect that this product is delivered to a farm at Steves-ton, near Vancouver, at $20 per ton. Van. couver is much further from Lethbridge than is Swift Current, but this same farmer, getting the stuff at Swift Current, has to pay $32.50 per ton for it. Is there a subsidy paid to the feeder at Vancouver which is not paid to the producer in the prairie provinces, in the matter of concentrates and feeds?

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James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

There was a subsidy paid some years ago, but it was for making the product, not for delivery. But that subsidy has been discontinued.

Mr. BENTLEY': This difference must be a matter of freight differentials, and would come under transport.

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James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

I should think so.

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December 7, 1945