April 5, 1946

LIB

George Alexander Cruickshank

Liberal

Mr. CRUICKSHANK:

They do not have any Japanese.

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Edmund Davie Fulton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. FULTON:

They keep it white, apparently, but it is done under their immigration act. They restrict immigrants, but I understand they granted the status of British subject to Samoans who are not white.

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LIB

George Alexander Cruickshank

Liberal

Mr. CRUICKSHANK:

They have no

C.C.F. either.

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Edmund Davie Fulton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. FULTON:

That makes it a lot easier for them. I continue with the quotation. At page 938 he said:

I never denied at any time the attraction of the adoption of the principle of a Britannic citizenship-the right to say, "I am a citizen of the British empire."

That is how New Zealand looks at the matter. As I said, I examined the statutes of Australia, and I could find there no provision similar to that which is sought to be introduced into Canada by this bill, namely, that a British subject coming from any other part of the empire would have to be naturalized all over again.

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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. MARTIN:

Will the hon. member permit me to correct him or to make my point? I am sure he will. A non-Canadian British subject coming to Canada does not in any circumstance lose his status as a British subject; this bill does not interfere with the status at all of British subjects, under such circumstances.

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Edmund Davie Fulton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. FULTON:

I cannot accept that for a moment, Mr. Speaker. What are we interested in? We are interested in citizenship. We want everybody who comes to Canada to be a citizen.

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John Oliver Probe

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. PROBE:

No, you do not.

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Edmund Davie Fulton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. FULTON:

I want every suitable person who comes to Canada to be a citizen. Before a person coming into Canada under this bill [DOT] can become a citizen he has to go through a naturalization process, no matter what his status.

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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. MARTIN:

That does not mean he loses his status as a British subject.

Canadian Citizenship

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Edmund Davie Fulton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. FULTON:

What value is his status as a British subject if he has to go through naturalization to become a Canadian citizen? I shall deal further with this point as I go along, because I wish to deal with it at some length. This concept of being a British subject is, in my view, as-1 have said, the only approach that we have yet had to the idea of a world citizenship, a common citizenship throughout the world. Up to the present time it is to be found only in the British empire.

In support of my general thesis I should like to cite the present Prime Minister in a statement made in 1920 when he was leader of the opposition. On March 16, 1920, one of the peace treaties came up for ratification. There was submitted by the Borden government to the house at that time a resolution advocating ratification of this treaty by Canada. Among the reasons submitted was that Canada had achieved national status and that her signature as a nation was required to this treaty. On that occasion the then leader of the opposition took over an hour to deal with the question of Canada's status as a nation and to show that this was not a thing that was achieved overnight by the then administration but had been a growth ever since 1867, just as we have said that this status of Canadian citizenship is not a thing achieved overnight, but has been a growth ever since 1857. It is something which must be preserved and fostered and should.not be allowed to be detracted from by diminishing our status as world citizens. This is what the leader of the opposition said at that time as reported at page 473 of Hansard-.

We believe . . . that it is possible for the British empire to become, as regards the league of nations, a league within a league, if you like, for the preservation of freedom amongst the different nations of the world. That position will be maintained by the attitude of conference and cooperation.

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John Bracken (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. BRACKEN:

Who was the leader of the opposition at that time?

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Edmund Davie Fulton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. FULTON:

The leader of the opposition at that time was the right hon. gentleman who is Prime Minister at the present time.

What I have in mind is that to-day we hear a great deal about the necessity for the concept of world citizenship. As I have said, the only approach we have so far in this world to-day is this common citizenship which we have in the British empire. I repeat that under section 10 the common citizenship which we have is rendered valueless in so far as it concerns a British subject coming from any part of the empire into Canada. I realize that the minister disagrees with me.

Perhaps we cannot reach agreement on that point. I leave it to the hon. mmbers and to the country to decide.

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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. MARTIN:

Will the hon. member permit me? I am sorry to have to interrupt, but this is an important matter. I know the hon. gentleman is trying to give it his best study, but I would not want it to go out that if a non-Canadian British subject comes into this country and does not take advantage of section 10 he thereby ceases to be a British subject. Once he comes into this country as a British subject he remains a British subject, whether or not he takes out citizenship in this country. Surely that is the fact.

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Edmund Davie Fulton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. FULTON:

I suppose it cannot be denied that this bill does not contain any provision revoking the status of a non-Canadian British subject coming into this country, saying that he shall cease to be a British subject, But, after all, the thing which this bill is directed toward is the establishment and clarification of the status of Canadian citizenship. In doing that it says that any person coming into this country who wants to become a Canadian citizen must be naturalized. It makes no exception in the case of a British subject. Therefore a British subject who wishes to become a Canadian citizen must be naturalized.

The minister has not yet said, in answer to the question asked by the hon. member for Eglinton (Mr. Fleming), whether it is intended to make the franchise hinge on becoming a Canadian citizen. I submit it is quite proper and would be quite proper, and I think it is inherent in the minister's remarks, for him to say that the status of citizenship will from now on determine all our civil rights, and that a person must be a Canadian citizen. Although the minister has not said that, all his colleagues behind him who have so far spoken on this said that everybody must become Canadian citizens.

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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. MARTIN:

You must not put into my mouth words I did not say. This is a difficult matter, and one should not overgeneralize. I made no such remark. When we come to deal with the section I shall deal with the question the hon. member for Eglinton (Mr. Fleming) put to me the other day, but which the Speaker, relying on the rules of the house, precluded me from answering.

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Edmund Davie Fulton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. FULTON:

I admit that the minister has not yet said it, and I ask him to do me the courtesy of not accusing me of putting words into his mouth, when I was careful not to do that; I said the minister had not yet said it.

Canadian Citizenship

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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. MARTIN:

I am sorry; I would not be discourteous to anybody.

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Edmund Davie Fulton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. FULTON:

To get on with my point, it is this. At present we have an empire citizenship., A Canadian citizen who is a British subject can go to any other part of the empire and become a citizen of that part by virtue of the fact that he is a British subject. By this bill we in Canada are seeking at one stroke to cut away that world-wide aspect of the status of a British subject, because a British subject who comes here is no longer automatically a citizen. He is not and cannot be a citizen until he becomes naturalized.

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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. MARTIN:

He is not now a citizen

automatically and this has been the law for twenty-five years. Under the existing act a non-Canadian British subject-

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Edmund Davie Fulton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. FULTON:

I do not wish to be discourteous,. but at the moment it is obvious that the minister and I cannot agree on this point.

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April 5, 1946