July 12, 1946

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An hon. MEMBER:

An election speech.

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

Yes. I quote:

Members of the armed forces, except at their own request, will not be demobilized until they have fobs at proper rates of pay. On the basis of this policy the first-in-first-out principle will apply.

Then follows a long list of suggestions for increased payments to veterans, which I may say have been more than implemented, so far as I have been able to see, by legislation either now before the house or to be brought before the house within a few days. Under the heading "Youth of the Nation" this text states:

To broaden opportunity, we will encourage through grants the development in our secondary schools of specialized training for primary industries such as agriculture, mining, forestry anu fisheries. We will provide financial assistance to enable our young people, according to their abilities, to receive advanced technical or professional training in our universities, at home or abroad.

Some expenditure involved there.

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Harry Rutherford Jackman

Progressive Conservative

Mr. JACKMAN:

Would you not expect more production if you had them trained?

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

I am talking about expenditures at the moment.

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Harry Rutherford Jackman

Progressive Conservative

Mr. JACKMAN:

If you have more production your taxation brings in more.

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

The report continues:

We believe in and will encourage a nationally uniform system of recreation and cultural centres. These will be extended to the rural areas through assistance in tile erection of community centres.

Then under the heading of "International Trade":

A general overhaul of the Department of Trade and Commerce to convert it from a junior and unnecessary arm of the diplomatic service to a live department responsible for organizing, with exporters themselves, the sale of Canadian goods in the markets of the world.

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Douglas King Hazen

Progressive Conservative

Mr. HAZEN:

Is there anything wrong with that ?

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

Not a thing, except that it involves expenditure. I do not quarrel with any of these; my point is that they all involve expenditure. I continue:

The establishment under the auspices of and at the expense of the department of training courses for young war veterans to become salesmen of Canadian goods in foreign countries.

The establishment of an export board with power and authority to determine and pay whatever difference may exist between a fair Canadian price and the actual world market price on approved items of export selected with a view to maintaining a balanced Canadian economy.

In other words, export subsidies. Here is one to which I should like especially to draw the attention of the house:

We recognize that in the period of adjustment after the war there must be a continuation of the principle of "mutual aid." Further, we recognize that in order that world trade (so essential to Canada's welfare) may expand, it will be necessary for Canada as a surplus producing country, and a large exporter, to give a lead in stabilization of international trade. In addition, Canada must be prepared to give longterm trade credits to Britain and also, in proper cases, to devastated and economically backward countries-thus building up customers for our goods.

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear.

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

I am glad to hear hon. gentlemen say "Hear, hear". When I read that statement, and when I recalled the speech made by the hon. member for Muskoka-Ontario at the time the loan to Britain was before the house, I was astounded to read a statement which appeared in the Montreal Gazette yesterday, Thursday, July 11, 1946. My hon. friend the leader of the opposition has not yet spoken in this debate, but he made a speech over the radio the other night and this is what he said as reported by the Gazette, the reporter being Mr. Mears:

The Budget-Mr. Abbott

The opposition leader was critical of the export credit policy. This year, we are being asked to dig into our pockets for $2,700,000,000 of taxes and in addition to go into debt another billion dollars-what for? Not to buy things for ourselves, but-think of it!-to pay for our own exports to ship away to other countries. We can never have permanent prosperity in this country by continuing to pay out of our own pockets for our exports to other lands.

The member for Rosedale (Mr. Jackman) the other day likened the Minister of Finance to John Bunyan's Mr. Facing-Both-Ways. May I suggest that he might have found a better example for that description a little nearer home. If I may continue with some more of these "economy" measures, Mr. Speaker, and I quote:

To make these rights real and effective, we shall establish a national development board to include leaders of business, labour, agriculture and government. The board will have the responsibility of working out plans for full production and employment as well as the preservation of our natural resources and the construction of projects in the public interest.

When I read that I almost thought I was reading a part of the C.C.F. manifesto. Under the same heading, that of workers, I read:

We shall provide a uniform and comprehensive security plan for all Canadians, including: extended unemployment insurance coverage; accident and sickness benefits; children's allowances; maternity benefits; widows' benefits; retirement pensions; increased old age pensions at age 65.

And may I interject here that in a speech at Kenora, and elsewhere as well, the leader of the opposition indicated that what he and his party advocated was an increased pension of $30, payable at the age of 65, without a means test, to all Canadians. My information is that that would involve an additional expenditure of at least $300,000,000 a year.

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An hon. MEMBER:

If we had an agreement with the provinces.

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

, He did not refer to that in the course of his speech, nor did he refer to it anywhere in this charter.

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Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. KNOWLES:

Are you opposed to that?

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

Never mind whether I am opposed to it or not; at the moment I am dealing with the proposals of the official opposition as set out by them in this document. To continue:

Where social services are administered provincially, we shall provide grants large enough to ensure adequate standards of social security to all Canadians.

I pause here to interject that while there has been no official statement by any member of the official opposition in this regard, many of my Conservative friends have stated to me that all these social security measures are so

much nonsense, that they are not in favour of them, and that the sooner we get rid of them the better. They are sincere and genuine in that belief. I do not question their right to express their opinion on that point, but I would appreciate it if their spokesman in the House of Commons would be equally frank.

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Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. GREEN:

Was that down on St. James street?

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

Yes, some of it was on St. James street. Then, with regard to a national health programme, this statement appears:

Therefore, pending the setting up of this national health programme, we will make grants to all the provinces according to standards and in amounts to be agreed upon, so that they may work out health programmes of their own.

Then further:

In cooperation with the provinces, we will set up a dominion-wide farm rehabilitation and soil conservation plan. '"We will reestablish a natural products marketing act. We will appoint a board of live stock commissioners in which shall be vested power to regulate and direct all aspects of live stock marketing in somewhat the same manner as the board of grain commissioners regulates the handling of wheat.

Then with regard to the fishermen:

We pledge ourselves: to enact legislation to assure our fishermen adequate basic prices.

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Establishing an export board to ensure a fair price to Canadian exporters of natural products and manufactured goods.

Then, a further proposal:

Encouraging great expansion in the fields of industrial and scientific research, supported at every stage by financial aid from the dominion government.

Under the heading of natural resources there appears this:

Our policy will be based upon the principle of managing, developing and conserving our natural resources so as to achieve the greatest possible annual return from them consistent with their preservation as a continuing source of wealth for future generations. To this end we will make provision for generous financial assistance from the dominion to the provinces to aid them in planned development and conservation.

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Edmund Davie Fulton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. FULTON:

A thing you failed to do.

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

Passing over the question of abolishing the fee for radio licences, because that was part of Doctor Manion's platform too, I come to the following:

This party will see that the financial resources of the dominion will be used in the clearing of slums and to provide subsidized housing for those in the lowest income group. We will initiate a large-scale housing programme to supply the new homes so urgently needed throughout Canada. For that purpose we will enlist the cooperation of the provinces, the municipalities, the building trades, the construction industry and private investors.

The Budget-Mr. Abbott

Well, that is a fairly comprehensive list and if hon. members care to look at it they will find, as I have found, that there is no mention of economy throughout the whole document. Bracken House did pretty well on that charter, but they overlooked the feature of economy.

Now I come to a more recent date. Last March, just about the time the house opened, the Progressive Conservative Association of Canada, at its annual meeting in the city Ottawa at the Chateau Laurier, passed a number of resolutions, publicity as to which was given in the newspapers. I asked my office the other day to get for me a copy of these resolutions, and I have it here. It is entitled:

Appendix B to the minutes of the annual meeting of the Progressive Conservative Association of Canada, 1946.

That was the meeting at which my hon. friend the financial critic of the opposition, the hon. member for Muskoka-Ontario, was elected dominion president of the association- and may I observe, in passing, that a very excellent choice was made by the party in that regard. There are twenty-seven resolutions. The first deals with leadership, the second with appreciation of Progressive Conservative members-well deserved, I am sure. The third deals with press and radio, the fourth with farm prices, the fifth with bureaucratic controls, the sixth with taxation, the seventh-

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Gordon Graydon

Progressive Conservative

Mr. GRAYDON:

Are you passing over bureaucratic controls?

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

I will read that, gladly.

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July 12, 1946