August 12, 1946

PC
LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE:

As soon as the hon. member will allow us to bring them down.

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Section agreed to. Sections 2 and 3 agreed to. On the schedule.


PC

John Ritchie MacNicol

Progressive Conservative

Mr. MacNICOL:

When item 180e was before the house some time ago-I am now speaking from recollection- I believe I asked the minister whether he had any representations in opposition to the admission of engineer's plans as outlined in this item. My memory is that he said no, but he has had many since, has he not?

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

Not many. I have had one.

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PC

John Ritchie MacNicol

Progressive Conservative

Mr. MacNICOL:

That particular one being from the Canadian engineering institute?

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

I have had a representation from the Engineering Institute of Canada, Mr. Austin Wright, of Montreal, secretary, has written to me since the introduction of the resolutions and since they were passed in committee.

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PC

John Ritchie MacNicol

Progressive Conservative

Mr. MacNICOL:

I too have had a number of communications from Mr. Austin Wright. I received one this morning, but it is not before me at the moment. He points out that passage of this item will have a very serious effect on all that branch of Canadian engineering. As I said before, I can plainly see how it would have. I am wondering

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whether the minister or the department do not now wish to change this item, or whether they have looked into it thoroughly, because as one who in past years had a great deal to do with engineering plans I can plainly see that the admission without duty of engineering plans from the United States will have a deterring effect on the expansion of- Canadian engineering in this regard. Has the minister had it looked into, or is he familiar with the subject?

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Air. ABBOTT:

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PC

John Ritchie MacNicol

Progressive Conservative

Mr. MacNICOL:

The minister says that the tariff board or tariff commission investigated the application of this item. Did they have before them representatives of the institute mentioned by the minister? Did they send notice to such bodies that the item was to be discussed and, if so, were any replies received?

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

It was not as the result of a public hearing, of course, and I do not know whether or not notices were sent out, but- I am told that the question was thoroughly looked into.

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PC

John Ritchie MacNicol

Progressive Conservative

Mr. MacNICOL:

I shall not further oppose the item at the moment, but this is something in connection with which I have had a good deal of experience, having drawn a multitude of engineering plans in certain lines. Personally I cannot see anything but disaster to certain branches of engineering in Canada through the admission to this country of engineering plans for the construction of buildings. I appreciate what certain people may have in mind, that they would like to bring in plans for a factory building duplicating one in the United States, and that they would

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like to bring in not only the construction plans but the engineering plans as well, but on the other hand I believe those plans should be drawn by Canadian engineers; and I say that for several reasons. Naturally in drawing their plans the United States engineers will specify certain lines of material, which in turn will be specified for the buildings being constructed in Canada. If contractors in Canada have to figure on United States material instead of Canadian material, and not only figure on it but use it in construction, as the minister can appreciate it will have a serious effect on several important firms in his own city of Montreal who make excellent engineering equipment. It is not necessary to mention them by name; they are splendid Canadian firms in the city of Montreal. If these Lnited States engineering plans come in here specifying United States material it may have a severe effect on firms in the minister's own city. I suggest that if nothing can be done about the plans themselves, when specifications are brought in from the United States detailing American material, instructions should go out that Canadian material of equivalent manufacture and equivalent capacity be used instead. After all, the minister and I and others must think of these big cities, where there are. many engineers and where they make much engineering equipment. In the minister's own city of . Montreal there are many eminent engineers, and firms manufacturing excellent equipment. Would the minister care to comment on the use of Canadian material?

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Air. ABBOTT:

I .have taken careful note of what my hon. friend has said. He may rest assured that we shall watch the operation of this item very closely to see whether or not it has any injurious effect on the Canadian economy and the use of Canadian materials. If it has, he may be sure the item will be changed.

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Gordon Benjamin Isnor

Liberal

Mr. ISNOR:

I should like to direct the minister's attention to item 703, dealing with baggage. Does this refer to the importation of luggage or baggage for resale?

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

I am told that it does not relate to luggage brought in for resale, but only to travellers' luggage brought in under the $100 limitation which now exists.

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Frank Eric Jaenicke

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. JAENICKE:

In several items, as for example the first two, there does not appear to be any change; the present rates are the same as the rates proposed according to the schedule filed on June 27. I should like to know why they are included in this amendment.

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

I think I explained some of those when the items were considered in detail. Where there is no change in the rates, as my hon. friend points out; there is a change in the descriptive language of the item. For instance in item 1, dealing with horses, the change is the addition of "n.o.p." which means "not otherwise provided for." He will find other items where the rate of duty is the same but the item is inserted because of a change in description, perhaps a broadening of the description as contained in the tariff item.

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Frank Eric Jaenicke

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. JAENICKE:

That did not show in the schedule when it was filed on June 27.

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

The rates are the same as shown in the schedule of June 27. There has been no change in rates in this bill, no change whatever in the schedule.

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CCF

Eric Bowness McKay

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. McKAY:

In connection with item 326k, concerning high thermal shock resisting glass parts, I should like to ask if any change has been made.

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August 12, 1946