May 2, 1947

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Julian Harcourt Ferguson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. FERGUSON:

I believe we cannot allow this question of immigration to go along as it has been going. Our lumber companies, our paper companies, need men in the bush; and the right kind of immigrants, the right kind of persons coming to Canada, will not take necessary work from Canadians. It will not affect our returned soldier settlers.

We plastered this country from coast to coast with big signs reading "Welcome Home", when the soldiers were coming back. Now, did those signs mean that our Canadian soldiers who were returning were to remain in their home towns for a few days, and then go a thousand miles to Manitoba or two thousand to British Columbia to work in the bush? I say, no. Those men should be able to obtain employment in communities to which they were welcomed when they came home. This country can obtain immigrants who are willing and capable to go into our forests, into our mines and on our farms to produce the raw materials with which our soldiers can work in our factories and cities. And they are entitled to that privilege.

I am not an advocate of chasing the returned men out to the wilderness, when they have previously lived in towns, and calling them a bad lot because they do not take the first job offered to them a thousand miles from their own homes.

I personally severely censure the Minister of Mines and Resources (Mr. Glen) because, thus far, his statement has had no weight in it. There has been no substance in it, and it has given no encouragement and no enlightenment to the people of Canada on a most vital and important question. I understand from the press that Australia has endeavoured to and has succeeded in obtaining boats to transport British immigrants to Australia. Here we have a country of 12,000,000 people, closer geographically to England and the British isles than Australia is. Yet, according to the press, in order to obtain the type and calibre of immigrants we need, our immigration branch has failed to do this.

I believe we should encourage immigration from the United States. I have travelled through that country to some considerable extent, and I know that the eyes of many United States youths are focused on Canada and on the great possibilities in this country. If immigration were encouraged, and those

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great possibilities were pointed out to the youth of the United States, they would come here, instead of our having the younger generation of this country leaving Canada at the rate of 20.000 a year. There is no rhyme or reason for it. There is no encouragement regarding immigration, and the great achievements which can be accomplished by the right kind of effort have not been pointed out by the government, and particularly by the immigration branch.

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James Allison Glen (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. GLEN:

Would the hon. member give some evidence on this point? He spoke about the transportation Australia had furnished for immigrants. Has he any evidence of it? Can he supply the house with evidence of it?

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Julian Harcourt Ferguson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. FERGUSON:

I shall be delighted to look up the newspaper; possibly you missed it. It was published in several papers.

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LIB

Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

I do not know whether I should add anything now, but I want to say this to my hon. friend, that I do not think anybody, including himself and myself and the government-

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?

An hon. MEMBER:

All right.

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Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

I have some feeling in this matter. I know as regards my hon. friend and hon. members of the official opposition, or any other party in the house, none of them would place anything in the way of immigration from the British isles to Canada. Let us clearly understand that. But at this particular moment immigration from those British isles to Canada is as free as to any country in the world, including Australia and [DOT]New Zealand. Let us be fair about it. My hon. friend talks about 50,000 people going to Australia, or 70,000.

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George James Tustin

Progressive Conservative

Mr. TUSTIN:

Who is making the speech?

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Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

I am.

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George James Tustin

Progressive Conservative

Mr. TUSTIN:

Why should you; the other hon. member has the floor.

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Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

But he sat down.

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Julian Harcourt Ferguson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. FERGUSON:

I did not mention 50,000 or 70,000 people going to Australia. Do not put words into my mouth.

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Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

Let us read the record. It is a target, you understand.

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Julian Harcourt Ferguson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. FERGUSON:

What do you mean by a "target"?

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Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

I mean that 50000 or 70000 is a target; I do not mean my hon. friend is a target.

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Julian Harcourt Ferguson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. FERGUSON:

I did not mention 50,000 at all.

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James Horace King (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

Order. I would call the attention of the minister to the fact that we are on second reading of the bill, and that no member has the right to speak twice.

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Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

I have the floor. I want to repeat that immigration, or emigration to Canada-

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Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. KNOWLES:

On a point of order, is the minister asking the previous speaker a question, or is he-

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Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE:

He is making a speech on second reading.

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Paul Joseph James Martin (Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Liberal

Mr. MARTIN:

Members of the government have a right, to speak.

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May 2, 1947