March 16, 1948

IND

Jean-François Pouliot

Independent Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

Certainly.

Topic:   CANADIAN WHEAT BOARD ACT
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR EMPLOYEES' PENSIONS, MINIMUM PRICE OF WHEAT DELIVERIES, ETC.
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CCF

Frederick Samuel Zaplitny

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. ZAPLITNY:

It sounds good, does it not?

Topic:   CANADIAN WHEAT BOARD ACT
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR EMPLOYEES' PENSIONS, MINIMUM PRICE OF WHEAT DELIVERIES, ETC.
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IND

Jean-François Pouliot

Independent Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

I have no objection to reasonable assistance. But if that subsidy is enforced, and the government is willing to pay that subsidy, then we want to have the goods in the east, and we want to have a different situation from the one we had last fall when all the farmers were complaining that they could not get delivery of the grain.

Topic:   CANADIAN WHEAT BOARD ACT
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR EMPLOYEES' PENSIONS, MINIMUM PRICE OF WHEAT DELIVERIES, ETC.
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CCF

Joseph William Burton

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. BURTON:

It was your private enterprise that stopped delivery.

Topic:   CANADIAN WHEAT BOARD ACT
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR EMPLOYEES' PENSIONS, MINIMUM PRICE OF WHEAT DELIVERIES, ETC.
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IND

Jean-François Pouliot

Independent Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

It was not private enterprise. It was when we had a feed controller who is still there writing his memoirs. My hon. friends are so doctrinaire that they will not agree with me that it is a waste of money to keep that man in his job, especially after the situation for which he was responsible last fall.

I do not consider it a pleasure to rise tonight and to have to argue with hon. members from another province about this matter, which is a vital issue for us at the present time, but which may not be any longer a vital issue for us in the near future, when the farmers of the east are told of the difficulties that we have precisely on account of those controls.

Advice from a friend is much better than a suggestion from a foe. The wounds of those who love are better than the kisses of those who hate. This I dedicate to the Minister of Agriculture (Mr. Gardiner) and to the Minister of Reconstruction and Supply (Mr. Howe). And I will ask them both, after the performance that took place tonight, is it possible to say for one moment that the suggested policy of the government has been imposed upon them by the C.C.F. socialist group of Saskatchewan? There is no reply to that.

Topic:   CANADIAN WHEAT BOARD ACT
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR EMPLOYEES' PENSIONS, MINIMUM PRICE OF WHEAT DELIVERIES, ETC.
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CCF

Joseph William Burton

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. BURTON:

Your colleague from Ros-thern would be interested to hear that.

Topic:   CANADIAN WHEAT BOARD ACT
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR EMPLOYEES' PENSIONS, MINIMUM PRICE OF WHEAT DELIVERIES, ETC.
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IND

Jean-François Pouliot

Independent Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

Perhaps he was too mild with his opponents.

Topic:   CANADIAN WHEAT BOARD ACT
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR EMPLOYEES' PENSIONS, MINIMUM PRICE OF WHEAT DELIVERIES, ETC.
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SC

Solon Earl Low

Social Credit

Mr. LOW:

Too frightened of them.

Topic:   CANADIAN WHEAT BOARD ACT
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR EMPLOYEES' PENSIONS, MINIMUM PRICE OF WHEAT DELIVERIES, ETC.
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IND

Jean-François Pouliot

Independent Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

He is too much of a good-natured fellow. That is why he has been lenient with these policies.

Topic:   CANADIAN WHEAT BOARD ACT
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR EMPLOYEES' PENSIONS, MINIMUM PRICE OF WHEAT DELIVERIES, ETC.
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LIB

Walter Adam Tucker (Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of Veterans Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. TUCKER:

Perhaps the hon. member will say who caused the Liberal government of 1922 to pass the wheat board legislation. The C.C.F. did not exist then.

Topic:   CANADIAN WHEAT BOARD ACT
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR EMPLOYEES' PENSIONS, MINIMUM PRICE OF WHEAT DELIVERIES, ETC.
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IND

Jean-François Pouliot

Independent Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

No, the C.C.F. did not exist; but Mr. Woodsworth was a member of the House of Commons at that time. My hon. friend will recall that Mr. Woodsworth was elected in 1921, and he was very powerful in connection with this matter, as well as many others whom I shall not now take time to enumerate.

What I want is a Liberal policy of free enterprise.

Topic:   CANADIAN WHEAT BOARD ACT
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR EMPLOYEES' PENSIONS, MINIMUM PRICE OF WHEAT DELIVERIES, ETC.
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CCF

Gladys Grace Mae Strum

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mrs. STRUM:

This is a Liberal bill.

Topic:   CANADIAN WHEAT BOARD ACT
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR EMPLOYEES' PENSIONS, MINIMUM PRICE OF WHEAT DELIVERIES, ETC.
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IND

Jean-François Pouliot

Independent Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

It is a government bill. But I do not say it is a Liberal policy. I am not deceived by false labels, and this is why: knowing the sincerity of both the Minister of Agriculture and the Minister of Reconstruction and Supply, I urge upon them the necessity to stop the gap of socialism in this measure. We should do that for the good of the farmers of this country, and even for th$ good of the members from the west who are farmers themselves. They have been led to believe that socialist policies are opportune, that they are timely and that the government should make them their own. There is the correspondence which my hon. friend read the other day. There are all the speeches which have been made.

Tonight I listened with great interest to the excellent speech of the hon. member for Calgary West (Mr. Smith) who, although he is a lawyer, knows more about farming the west than does any member of the C.C.F. group. He has lived with the farmers and has listened to them.

Topic:   CANADIAN WHEAT BOARD ACT
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR EMPLOYEES' PENSIONS, MINIMUM PRICE OF WHEAT DELIVERIES, ETC.
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CCF

Gladys Grace Mae Strum

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mrs. STRUM:

Whom do you think we live with? We are farmers.

Topic:   CANADIAN WHEAT BOARD ACT
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR EMPLOYEES' PENSIONS, MINIMUM PRICE OF WHEAT DELIVERIES, ETC.
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IND

Jean-François Pouliot

Independent Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

I was going to tell my hon. friend that if I were one of her constituents I would say many things to her, with the exception of talking about wheat. I would tell her that she is gifted and that she is doing well as a member of parliament. The only thing I regret in her is her obstinacy at times to admit that she may be wrong. I should like to be a poet to write a few rhymes for the hon. member. However, since I am not so well gifted I must say what I have to say in my poor language. But I mean well. And I hope that before long she will understand that my appeal to her reason has not been made in vain, and that perhaps she will be one who will canvass other members of the C.C.F. groups to drop their insistence upon passing this kind of legislation.

Canadian Wheat Board Act

Mr. KNOWLES1: I wonder if the hon. member would permit another question before he finishes? I confess it is in relation to the same question I asked twenty minutes ago.

Topic:   CANADIAN WHEAT BOARD ACT
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR EMPLOYEES' PENSIONS, MINIMUM PRICE OF WHEAT DELIVERIES, ETC.
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IND

Jean-François Pouliot

Independent Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

This is coarse grain.

Topic:   CANADIAN WHEAT BOARD ACT
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR EMPLOYEES' PENSIONS, MINIMUM PRICE OF WHEAT DELIVERIES, ETC.
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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. KNOWLES:

I think the hon. member means that this goes against the grain. Does the hon. member recall what happened on August 29, 1946, as it is reported in Hansard at page 5598, when he read to the house his telegram to the Prime Minister (Mr. Mackenzie King) of August 28, 1939, and the Prime Minister's reply, and boasted that he was "responsible to a certain extent for the creation of the wartime prices and trade board"?

Topic:   CANADIAN WHEAT BOARD ACT
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR EMPLOYEES' PENSIONS, MINIMUM PRICE OF WHEAT DELIVERIES, ETC.
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IND

Jean-François Pouliot

Independent Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

Well, since the hon. member speaks to me that way, I will tell him what happened. I was not going to say that, because he would think I was boasting. I will tell him that after that answer was sent to me by the Prime Minister I was called with the present Minister of National Health and Welfare (Mr. Martin) to the office of the late Hon. Norman Rogers to form a committee of internal security to decide with him about food and commodity prices. There was

no question about wartime prices board here. Is that enough for the hon. member? I would not have said this, if my hon. friend had not given a false interpretation. Besides that, we were each offered $6,000 a year outside our indemnities. And I can tell the hon. member much more than that. I never have been for the wartime prices board, and it was only indirectly that I was responsible for its establishment some time afterwards.

Topic:   CANADIAN WHEAT BOARD ACT
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR EMPLOYEES' PENSIONS, MINIMUM PRICE OF WHEAT DELIVERIES, ETC.
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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. KNOWLES:

That was not the interpretation the hon. member gave when he read the telegram on August 29, 1946.

On motion of Mr. Pouliot the debate was adjourned.

Topic:   CANADIAN WHEAT BOARD ACT
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR EMPLOYEES' PENSIONS, MINIMUM PRICE OF WHEAT DELIVERIES, ETC.
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BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE

March 16, 1948