April 28, 1949

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Peter Francis Martin

Mr. Marlin:

No hon. member has the right to make that kind of assertion unless he can, on request by other hon. members, produce the proof. Failing to do that, I know that the hon. member will have the decency to withdraw that incorrect observation.

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

The hon. member will have the decency to tell the Minister of National Health and Welfare (Mr. Martin) that as usual he does not know what he is talking about. That statement was made and was in the press.

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Some hon. Members:

Where?

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

I shall be glad to get it. It

was made last fall in connection with the negotiations with the delegates from Newfoundland. If the Minister of National Health and Welfare does not know that, and does not know that the Prime Minister made that statement, it is high time he did.

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Paul Joseph James Martin (Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Liberal

Mr. Martin:

Let us have proof of the statement, or withdraw.

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

I have not the slightest intention of withdrawing my correct statement.

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Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

That is what your leader said this morning.

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

That is not the only thing.

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James Sinclair (Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of Finance)

Liberal

Mr. Sinclair:

He is copying his leader's mild and temperate language.

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

There was another example of this irresponsible use of the moneys of the people of Canada by the government opposite.

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Thomas John Bentley

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Bentley:

Could we have this with music?

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

I just wish it were in order to read in detail at this stage of the proceedings from the last available annual report of the Auditor General. There is enough there to condemn the government for all time as a government that is not to be entrusted with the expenditure of the money of the people of Canada.

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William Irvine

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Irvine:

Let us have the election and stop talking.

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

It would be bad enough to be asked to entrust the expenditure of the money of the people of Canada to this government after parliament had had a proper opportunity to review the proposed expenditures in detail, but I say that for this government to come along with the record that it has and ask parliament to vote another $540 million to them sight unseen without parliament having the slightest opportunity of looking into these items of expenditure, is the last and crowning insult to parliament. The house ought to rise in indignation and decline to be a party to such a degradation of the parliament of the people of Canada.

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Thomas Vincent Grant

Liberal

Mr. Grant:

You are back on that again.

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

There are special circumstances and special reasons why parliament ought to be vigilant this year above all others in reviewing expenditures before it authorizes the spending of a five-cent piece by this decadent government; yet the government is denying parliament any opportunity of undertaking the discharge of its elementary responsibility. There is the public accounts committee. It was set up because of demands from the opposition. We had two preliminary meetings, and had just begun to get into the meat of the work of the committee when it was literally stopped in its tracks by this government, which has decreed that parliament shall die on Saturday next. That is a fine example of governmental responsibility.

There is another reason why parliament ought to be especially vigilant this year before it entrusts the government with this colossal amount of money. We would like to have seen some serious attempt on the part of the government to eliminate extravagance. We would have had an opportunity this year, on a better scale than ever before, of exposing the reckless extravagance of the government.

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Thomas Vincent Grant

Liberal

Mr. Grant:

Not a bit of it.

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

That last comment of the hon. member for Kings (Mr. Grant) is a sample of

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his sense of responsibility. It is quite clear that he would throw around all this money of the people of Canada without worrying in the slightest where the money is coming from or where it is going. If the hon. member for Kings wants to abdicate all responsibility in view of his pending transfer to another sphere, all very well; but I would remind him that as long as he is a member of the House of Commons he has a responsibility to the people who elected him even though they made a great mistake in doing so.

The hon. member for Lake Centre (Mr. Diefenbaker) commented on the amount of money that has been paid to one friend of the government in the city of Toronto for services rendered in the year 1948. I refer to Mr. W. C. Thomson, a former president of the central liberal association in Toronto, a candidate for the provincial leadership of the party in 1945, and a candidate for the legislature on occasion.

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James Joseph McCann (Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. McCann:

A member of your profession.

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

The beneficence extended by this government to that worthy supporter was not confined to the year 1948. An earlier return this year will show to any member who cares to look it up that in the years 1947 and 1948 that gentleman received in fees alone, not including disbursements, the sum of $172,000 for services performed-a mere $172,000 for services performed. It was a very generous retainer that he enjoyed from the Department of Veterans Affairs. The labourer is worthy of his hire, and apparently, when he is a Liberal labourer, in the eyes of the government he is particularly worthy of very generous hire. I think the people of Canada, however, who are being called upon to dig down in their pockets to foot these bills on this scale of colossal extravagance, are going to demand a very good reason why this government should requite the services of one eminent Liberal in the sum of $172,000 over a brief span of two years.

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April 28, 1949