April 28, 1949

LIB

Walter Edward Harris (Parliamentary Assistant to the Prime Minister)

Liberal

Mr. Harris (Grey-Bruce):

How much was disbursements?

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

Disbursements were not

included in that. There is not a cent for disbursements in that. Every cent of that is fees, and the hon. member can find that out if he will look up the return. It is $172,000 in fees in the span of two years. That is a mere average of $86,000 a year. It may be that his services are very valuable in the opinion of the government, even though much of the service was performed by students, but nevertheless this labourer-

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Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. Mitchell:

Mr. Speaker, it was a lawyer, not a labourer.

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LIB

James Joseph McCann (Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. McCann:

What kind of a lawyer was it?

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

In this colossal sum it may be a little difficult to distinguish between requitable labour and government beneficence, but so far as labour entered into it it was legal services.

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LIB

James Joseph McCann (Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. McCann:

What kind of a lawyer was it?

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

Perhaps the Minister of

Finance (Mr. Abbott) or the voluble and restless Minister of Labour (Mr. Mitchell) may have the answer.

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abbott:

I have not been listening.

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

My time is practically up. I have just nicely started on my review of evidence of the complete lack of responsibility this government is manifesting until this, its dying hour. There is no semblance or indication of repentance on the part of the government even now in this final hour of its existence. All during the lifetime of this parliament we have seen the government treat the house with studied contempt, regarding itself as above the elected representatives of the people, and not responsible to them.

In conclusion may I express a sense of thanksgiving that time has sufficiently run its course, and that the people of Canada are at last to be given an opportunity, which they will welcome, of placing their verdict, their judgment, on the irresponsibility of this dying government.

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LIB

Gordon Benjamin Isnor

Liberal

Mr. Isnor:

Will the hon. member permit a question. Would he give us the date of the public accounts from which he quoted?

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

I should be delighted to do so to accommodate the hon. member. He may have forgotten what I said. As I already indicated-because I have already given the reference-the report is to be found in the Votes and Proceedings of the House of Commons for Wednesday, July 9, 1947, beginning at page 752. This report states:

By leave of the house, Mr. Picard, from the standing committee on public accounts, presented the sixth report of the said committee, which is as follows:

Your committee at its meetings of July 1 and 2 heard evidence from Mr. Watson Sellar, Auditor General of Canada, and wishes to express its appreciation of the constructive suggestions submitted by him.

Many items of the report of the Auditor General were the object of your committee's attention and the information gathered conduces to a better understanding of the work, as well as of the important functions of his office.

Your committee is of the opinion that consideration should be given by the government to the desirability of amending existing legislation, as more fully explained in Mr. Sellar's memorandum dated July 1, 1947, with a view to regulating:

(a) the form of estimates and the printed explanations associated therewith:

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(b) the use of revenue arising out of services performed for the direct benefit of individuals;

(c) the management of revenues;

(d) the valuation of assets;

(e) the management of stores and equipment inventories.

Your committee is also of the opinion that consideration should be given by the government to amending the Consolidated Revenue and Audit Act. 1931, in the light of Mr. Sellar's memorandum dated July 3, 1947, supplementing the oral evidence given by him on July 2.

Copies of these two memoranda are attached hereto and form a part of this report.

And I hope hon. members will take the time and the trouble to read them.

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LIB

Gordon Benjamin Isnor

Liberal

Mr. Isnor:

I have read them.

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

And nothing has been done since.

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Gordon Benjamin Isnor

Liberal

Mr. Isnor:

I am correct in saying that not one of the orders in council to which he referred, namely 859, 938, 1051, 1101 and 1186, was included in that report.

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Gordon Graydon

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Graydon:

You could carry this on indefinitely.

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LIB

James Horace King (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

I cannot allow a controversy of this kind to go on across the floor of the house.

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

May I say this one thing-

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Some hon. Members:

No.

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

I thought I had given the dates of the orders in council. They were in March, 1948.

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LIB

Gordon Benjamin Isnor

Liberal

Mr. Isnor:

Yes.

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April 28, 1949