November 1, 1949

SC

William Duncan McKay Wylie

Social Credit

Mr. Wylie:

Just how good, I don't know; but he believes in competition. I do not believe in monopoly, and it is for that reason I give my support to the bill-and to the bill which was up last week. I propose, too, to support the bill concerning the Westcoast Transmission Company.

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Elie Beauregard (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order. There is only one bill before the house.

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William Duncan McKay Wylie

Social Credit

Mr. Wylie:

Those are the three bills I am glad to support. I am sorry to have transgressed the rule, and am glad Your Honour has corrected me. My support is given because I believe in competition. If we gave only one company the right to transport our gas we do not know what the poor people at the end of the line would have to pay for it, while we in Alberta would be getting cheap gas.

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George Alexander Cruickshank

Liberal

Mr. Cruickshank:

Would you believe in an all-Canadian route?

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Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

The effects of this gas are becoming apparent.

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LIB

George Alexander Cruickshank

Liberal

Mr. Cruickshank:

I want only ten minutes of explanation.

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SC

William Duncan McKay Wylie

Social Credit

Mr. Wylie:

You will have your ten minutes when I have finished.

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LIB

George Alexander Cruickshank

Liberal

Mr. Cruickshank:

Keep going.

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William Duncan McKay Wylie

Social Credit

Mr. Wylie:

But I am glad the hon. member for Fraser Valley has brought up that point, because I do support an all-Canadian route.

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SC

William Duncan McKay Wylie

Social Credit

Mr. Wylie:

If you had listened to my speech you would have known why, without asking the question. I have always supported an all-Canadian route for any pipe line. I have said more than once that I believe our own people should be supplied first with natural gas, and that only the surplus should be exported. I am sure the hon. member must have heard that, and I am surprised at his asking the question. I hope the hon. member will support me in the contention that no natural gas should leave Alberta or Canada until we are satisfied that our present and future requirements are filled.

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Thomas Langton Church

Progressive Conservative

Mr. T. L. Church (Broadview):

Mr. Speaker, after the very fine speech of the hon. member who has just taken his seat there remains very little for me to say. Governments begin to die the moment they are born, and this bill is a demonstration of that principle.

In the debate on second reading one is not permitted to discuss the various sections of a

Prairie Transmission Lines bill but is limited to the principle. It is difficult to limit oneself in that way. No village council would operate in this haphazard fashion in respect of a natural resource belonging to that village. Fortunately the position indicated here did not obtain in connection with the power development in the Niagara district. A section was inserted in the municipal act requiring a vote of the people.

I am surprised to see this high court of parliament attempting to pass this bill tonight. Only a few days ago we had an important discussion concerning our forests. We have parted with our natural resources in a frivolous manner. I am surprised that this bill does not take over the heavens above, the earth below and the waters under the earth. Nothing seems to be left out of the statute. There is general legislation known as the Pipe Lines Act, but in my opinion it should be called the pipe dream act. That would be a far better title for it because that is just what it is.

How does it come about that this particular bill was introduced in another place without any discussion? There were only five or six words said in the other place on this particular bill. This bill seeks to give away the natural resources of this country. It strikes me as being funny that a minister of the crown or an hon. member who is going to be a minister should introduce this particular form of bill.

We cannot refer to the sections of the bill on the motion for second reading, but I must say that this bill is different from any I have ever seen and I have been a member of this house for some few years. The bill seeks to incorporate the Alberta Natural Gas Company, but it is not limited to that. It deals with 75 to 100 other matters. I am precluded from mentioning individual sections, but one section of this bill seeks to set this company outside the provisions of the Companies Act. An attempt is being made to make this a special act. It is proposed that the company shall not be subject to the provisions of sections 158, 163, 180 and 190 of part III of the Companies Act.

They are seeking by a private bill to do something which is the most ridiculous proposition I have ever heard put forth in this house of parliament. In addition they are trying to take this company out of the Companies Act and many other statutes. Two of the incorporators of the company live in Ottawa, and why not? The third incorporator lives in Wilmington, Delaware. Ottawa is a good place for an incorporator to live in who is seeking almost everything.

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William Moore Benidickson

Liberal Labour

Mr. Benidickson:

On a point of order, the hon. member is referring to a bill which was

introduced last Friday evening by another member, a bill to incorporate Alberta Natural Gas Company. From what I have heard of the hon. gentleman's remarks, they do not apply in any way to the bill that I am introducing.

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LIB

George Alexander Cruickshank

Liberal

Mr. Cruickshank:

I think the hon. member has been referring to both bills.

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Thomas Langton Church

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Church:

The hon. member represents a northern Ontario riding, but let me tell him that I remember back in 1909 and 1910 when Sir James Whitney made a great mistake in connection with northern Ontario when he refused to electrify the Temiskaming and Northern Ontario railroad. If that had been done, instead of power in that part of the country costing $60 per horsepower, it would have been available at much cheaper rates. The hon. member who has interrupted me is a very nice young gentleman; he is quite popular with his colleagues. If that great mistake had not been made the people in his part of the country would have had the joys of living instead of the different companies being owned holus-bolus by corporations in Montreal.

I asked a responsible minister if this bill was going to a committee, and he said it was. However, it went to a committee in another place and there was practically no discussion. The bill was read the third time and there were only nine or ten words of discussion on it. I am surprised at a bill being offered to this house that seeks to give away the natural resources of this country. There are some other matters I should like to refer to later and as it is nine o'clock I should like to move the adjournment of the debate.

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Elie Beauregard (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

The hour for private and public bills having expired, the house will resume the business interrupted at six o'clock.

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THE BUDGET

November 1, 1949