None. I beg pardon, yes. Engineer Rear Admiral Stephens, on labour questions particularly. Engineer Rear Admiral Stephens is a retired naval officer and his salary is $10,000. But he receives that in lieu of a pension of something like $6,000 plus; therefore he works for about $3,500.
No; he is now transferred to my colleague the Minister of National Health and Welfare, and his salary is similarly fixed at $10,000, but he has not the advantage of both his pension and his salary, so he likewise is doing his present full time service for a supplementary income of something in the neighbourhood of $3,500 or $4,000.
The hon. member for Calgary East has just pointed out that for the last several years he has asked the minister each year if he would not the following year bring down his estimates in the same form as they were brought down I believe up to 1947, and in the same form as other departments see fit to bring them down here. I have been here only one year, but last year I heard the hon. member for Calgary East pose this question to the minister. I think there was some kind of assurance, vague though it may have been, that that would be done. It seems that nothing has been done in the meantime. I think many hon. members have expressed the opinion before that if this were done a great deal of discussion would not have been necessary tonight.
The hon. member for Calgary East has again asked the minister the direct question: will the minister next year see to it that his estimates are brought down in the same form as other departments, and in the same form as I believe the department brought down the estimates prior to 1947? He did not see fit to give an answer. I would be very interested to hear from the minister a direct answer to that question.
No, sir, I cannot give an answer because the form of the estimates is entirely a matter for the Department of Finance, and the form in which our estimates are presented is not the result of my machinations, I can assure the hon. member, but is the result of the work of the Department of Finance, the comptroller of the treasury and the Auditor General. They indicate to us the form in which our estimates should be put and we put them in the form in which they want them. Now, I have no doubt they will read the discussion in Hansard and will take account of the hon. gentleman's question.