May 29, 1951

LIB

Jean Lesage (Parliamentary Assistant to the Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. Lesage:

On a point of order, Mr. Chairman, may I draw your attention, to the fact that -clause 1 was carried last night, as is indicated on- page 3491 of Hansard, where the following took place:

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Joseph-Alfred Dion (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The Chairman:

Shall the clause carry?

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Some hon. Members:

Carried.

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Some hon. Members:

No.

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LIB

Joseph-Alfred Dion (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The Chairman:

Carried. Shall clause 2 carry?

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Some hon. Members:

Carried.

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Some hon. Members:

No.

And then the house adjourned. But clause 1 was carried. I believe that the hon. member is discussing the principle of the bill.

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Gordon Graydon

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Graydon:

It is the Votes and

Proceedings that govern.

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LIB

Jean Lesage (Parliamentary Assistant to the Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. Lesage:

Votes and Proceedings do not mention the clauses separately.

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Gordon Graydon

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Graydon:

On that point, lots of times Hansard is wrong and Votes and Proceedings are always right.

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LIB

Joseph-Alfred Dion (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The Chairman:

There is no mention of sections of bills in Votes and Proceedings. Votes and Proceedings do not mention sections that are carried in committee. I was under the impression that the clause was carried; it is not mentioned in Hansard that the clause is agreed to; but my impression is that it was carried. I would ask the hon. member to conclude his remarks as soon as possible.

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

With respect, I was not in the

house at the time that happened, but I was given to understand that in the ordinary course you asked, at the time of a pause, "Shall the clause carry". Some members on one side said "carried", and some members in this part of the house said "no".

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Jean Lesage (Parliamentary Assistant to the Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. Lesage:

The -chairman said "carried", and he called clause 2.

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

The chairman- often says "carried" when there is not a final adoption. He frequently says that to ascertain if there is to be any further discussion on the item. That is what he was doing at that time.

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LIB

Joseph-Alfred Dion (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The Chairman:

Yes, but when I called clause 2 nobody asked that we revert to clause 1.

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Alphonse Fournier (Minister of Public Works; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Fournier (Hull):

It was carried all right.

[Mr. Fleming.!

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Joseph-Alfred Dion (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The Chairman:

When I called clause 2 there was no objection.

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Edmund Davie Fulton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fulton:

If I may be permitted to say a word, I would ask the committee to look at pages 3491 and 3492, where I made the following remarks.

Since it is close to eleven o'clock, Mr, Chairman, will the minister accommodate us by allowing us to call it eleven o'clock and give this matter consideration overnight?

I m-ade that request under the impression that clause 1, on which this point has been raised, and to which I was asking that consideration be given, was still before the committee.

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Joseph-Alfred Dion (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The Chairman:

Since there is some doubt about it I will call clause 1 and -allow the hon. member to go on- with his speech.

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

Thank you; I was nearly finished, anyway.

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May 29, 1951