June 7, 1951

LIB

Louis-René Beaudoin (Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The Deputy Chairman:

Order. It appears

to me that the remarks being made by the hon. member are not relevant to the item under discussion.

Topic:   INDIAN ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT AND CONSOLIDATION
Sub-subtopic:   CONCURRENCE IN SENATE AMENDMENTS
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SC

John Horne Blackmore

Social Credit

Mr. Blackmore:

I oan be relevant, Mr. Chairman, if relevancy is all that is necessary. I can speak right on this matter I am talking about, and I can say plenty more. The great question is this: When the members of the House of Commons go back to their constituencies, they will simply have to tell the people that nothing is to be done for housing.

Topic:   INDIAN ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT AND CONSOLIDATION
Sub-subtopic:   CONCURRENCE IN SENATE AMENDMENTS
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?

An hon. Member:

You take your chance.

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SC

John Horne Blackmore

Social Credit

Mr. Blackmore:

Of course you take your

chance. But the question is this: Will you get the houses? That is the thing that counts. Will you give the people that chance to have housing? The answer that is given by the Liberals is: No, we do not need to. Let them suffer. We do not care. We will not suffer. We Liberal members of parliament will be able to have houses. What do we care about the poor fellows down under who are getting too small an income to enable them to get a home? We do not care a button about them. They do not amount to anything at all. That is just the attitude of the ordinary Liberal. That is just exactly his attitude.

Topic:   INDIAN ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT AND CONSOLIDATION
Sub-subtopic:   CONCURRENCE IN SENATE AMENDMENTS
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Some hon. Members:

Oh, no.

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SC

John Horne Blackmore

Social Credit

Mr. Blackmore:

That is the attitude.

Topic:   INDIAN ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT AND CONSOLIDATION
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An hon. Member:

Oh, no, it is not.

Topic:   INDIAN ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT AND CONSOLIDATION
Sub-subtopic:   CONCURRENCE IN SENATE AMENDMENTS
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SC

John Horne Blackmore

Social Credit

Mr. Blackmore:

The general attitude will be this: they will have to take it or leave it; we do not care.

Topic:   INDIAN ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT AND CONSOLIDATION
Sub-subtopic:   CONCURRENCE IN SENATE AMENDMENTS
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?

An hon. Member:

Oh, no, it is not.

Topic:   INDIAN ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT AND CONSOLIDATION
Sub-subtopic:   CONCURRENCE IN SENATE AMENDMENTS
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SC

John Horne Blackmore

Social Credit

Mr. Blackmore:

Oh, yes, it is.

Topic:   INDIAN ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT AND CONSOLIDATION
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LIB

Louis-René Beaudoin (Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The Deputy Chairman:

I shall have to ask the hon. member not to discuss what he considers to be the attitude of other members of the House of Commons. He must discuss housing.

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SC

John Horne Blackmore

Social Credit

Mr. Blackmore:

I am certainly discussing housing from the standpoint of about 45 per cent of all the people in Canada who find housing completely beyond their reach. The number of people in every community in this country who are wondering how in the world they are going to be able to afford housing is sufficiently large to constitute a complete scandal in this nation. I refer to the people who are called upon to pay $75, $80 or $90 for an apartment, when the cost of that living apartment likely uses up more than half of their total income. They must have housing. They have no alternative. That is a serious problem.

The point is that up until the present time this parliament has not done anything effective about the matter of housing. It chooses to leave at least forty per cent of the total population of Canada with inadequate housing and to indicate to the country that it is not ready to do a thing about it. No matter what facilities may be available to it with which to do something about it, it refuses to use those facilities. It chooses to let forty per cent of the people go with inadequate housing.

That is all, Mr. Chairman. If that is not enough to fill with shame all the men who

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Supply-Resources and Development have responsibility in this parliament, then all I can say is that they just are not qualified to appreciate reality at all.

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CCF

Joseph William Noseworthy

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Noseworthy:

Following up the discussion we have just heard, may I say that I notice by this report of the Central Mortgage and Housing Corporation that last year the corporation made 476 loans directly for the building of non-farm homes and 3 loans for the building of farm homes. I should like to know just what is the policy of the corporation with regard to the making of direct loans, both urban and rural, and just why it is that there were only three farmers in Canada last year who obtained loans from the Central Mortgage and Housing Corporation.

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LIB

Robert Henry Winters (Minister of Resources and Development)

Liberal

Mr. Winters:

The reason there were only three loans to farmers is that there were only three applications.

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CCF

Joseph William Noseworthy

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Noseworthy:

What is the policy with regard to direct loans? I refer to non-farm loans.

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LIB

Robert Henry Winters (Minister of Resources and Development)

Liberal

Mr. Winters:

The whole policy underlying direct loans is that they will be made in outlying areas where lending institutions do not normally operate.

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PC

Julian Harcourt Ferguson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Ferguson:

Am I led to believe that if farmers made application they would get a loan if everything was found to be correct, and that the only reason that only three farm loans were made is that only three applications were made? Were there not any made, of which some were turned down? It is quite surprising that only three applications were made, and that all three were granted, from all the farmers of Canada. Is that correct?

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LIB

Robert Henry Winters (Minister of Resources and Development)

Liberal

Mr. Winters:

To the best of my knowledge and to the best of the recollection of the officials of the corporation, that is correct.

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Item agreed to.


PC

Percy Chapman Black

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Black (Cumberland):

What item is the chairman calling?

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June 7, 1951