June 7, 1951

CCF

Joseph William Noseworthy

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Noseworthy:

Can the minister say

why lending companies with offices in Ottawa refuse to lend money to builders across the river?

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LIB

Robert Henry Winters (Minister of Resources and Development)

Liberal

Mr. Winters:

I do not know the particular circumstances, but I would imagine the lending institutions are exercising their privilege of making loans to the best advantage, where they can.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

Are there any agreements

pending between the government of Manitoba and the federal government under section 35 of the housing act?

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LIB

Robert Henry Winters (Minister of Resources and Development)

Liberal

Mr. Winters:

No, there are not.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

Have there been any discussions as to possible agreements?

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LIB

Robert Henry Winters (Minister of Resources and Development)

Liberal

Mr. Winters:

To my knowledge, sir, there have been no discussions since the discussions we had with them at the time we were considering changes to the act, which ultimately resulted in the passing of section 35.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

I take it from those answers that the government of Manitoba has not made an approach to the federal government. Is the federal government doing anything further to try to sell this idea to the provinces, such as Manitoba?

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LIB

Robert Henry Winters (Minister of Resources and Development)

Liberal

Mr. Winters:

Well, in view of the responsibilities various levels of government have for this problem of housing, we do not feel it would be appropriate for the federal government to put on a strenuous sales campaign to induce a province to enter into any program that is primarily its responsibility. But we have, in various public statements, on very many occasions, said that section 35 was available to anyone who wished to submit proposals that would meet with the mutual satisfaction of all levels of government concerned.

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CCF

Joseph William Noseworthy

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Noseworthy:

While the Minister of

Finance is in his seat, perhaps he could assist the Minister of Resources and Development in answering a question I raised this afternoon. I pointed out that, to my knowledge, there is American capital available for building in Canada, provided some assurance could be given that if investments

could be liquidated within a given period of two or three years the original capital could be taken back to the United States.

I have before me the regulation of the foreign exchange control board which states:

A non-resident who makes a new capital investment in Canada (other than in marketable securities) and records the investment with the board when it is made, is permitted under the policy followed by the board at present, subsequently to liquidate the investment in Canada and withdraw the proceeds from Canada.

But the foreign exchange control board can give no assurance that that policy may not be changed without notice at any time. Can either of the ministers tell us why that could not be done?

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abbott:

Perhaps I should answer the question. It has been the policy of the board for a good many years. On important matters of this kind one can never and probably one should not ever give a positive assurance as to what might have to be done under other circumstances. My recollection is that even in the latter days of the war we allowed new investments of that kind-that is, post-September 1949 investments-to be taken out by the investors. But circumstances might be such that it would be necessary to impose very much more drastic exchange regulations. I do not contemplate for a moment that it would be, because the whole trend in recent years has been to relax. But the outside investor, of course, has to take his chances on it.

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PC

Douglas Scott Harkness

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Harkness:

I should like to ask the minister, following his reply concerning this business of people buying these wartime houses and then renting them at high prices and using the proceeds to build other houses for themselves, if any consideration has been given by his department to safeguards which would prevent that very abuse from taking place.

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LIB

Robert Henry Winters (Minister of Resources and Development)

Liberal

Mr. Winters:

I have the figures for the houses that will remain in Calgary, and also in Regina and greater Winnipeg, if all the houses up to and including the 1947 program are sold. In other words these houses on the 1948-49 programs number: Calgary, 300;

Regina, 147; and greater Winnipeg, 1,415.

Then, on the other point to which the hon. member for Calgary East referred, I would say that this is a matter that has been receiving consideration. It is known that what the hon. member has described as an abuse does take place. It is difficult to cope with when Central Mortgage and Housing sells a house to a veteran and gives him title. Normally one would consider the veteran is free to do with his property what anyone else would

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Supply-Resources and Development do with property acquired under a similar transaction. However, I can say that the matter is one of concern and consideration; but beyond that I have nothing to say.

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PC

Douglas Scott Harkness

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Harkness:

You have no answer to it yet, do you mean?

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CCF

Joseph William Noseworthy

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Noseworthy:

Has the minister any information regarding the number of times that veterans who cannot buy their houses are asked to move, in this process of selling veterans' houses? My attention has been called to one or two cases where not only the first but the second house was sold, and the veteran had the idea that he had to keep on moving so long as the house he occupied was saleable. Is there any information on that point?

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LIB

Robert Henry Winters (Minister of Resources and Development)

Liberal

Mr. Winters:

The instances concerning

which we have immediate knowledge are very few. There are not more than two or three such instances. We would have to search the records for an accurate number. Anyway it is a very small number, indeed.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

Only two or three instances where the same veteran has had to move twice? Is that what the minister means? Surely there are more cases than that where the veteran has had to move because the house has been sold.

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LIB

Robert Henry Winters (Minister of Resources and Development)

Liberal

Mr. Winters:

Two or three instances where he has been obliged to move once, and then the house to which he moved has been sold. I understood that was the nature of the hon. member's question.

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SC

Charles Edward Johnston

Social Credit

Mr. Johnston:

One case in particular in connection with the sale of veterans wartime housing in Calgary has come to my attention. I took this up with the government and I must say a very satisfactory settlement was made.

In general the complaint was that some of these veterans have been living in wartime housing the government decided should be sold. It now appears that some agents are coming to veterans who moved into these houses and are telling them that unless they are prepared to buy them right away they will be kicked out on the street. Those are the words that were used.

I understand that is not the policy of the department. It is my understanding that if these people cannot buy the houses in which they are living, they are not to be kicked out. In the case I brought to the minister's attention it worked out so that these people, after having been informed they were going to be kicked out if they did not buy the place, are now assured that they are going to be able to live in that house. I think there should be some regulation governing the

Supply-Resources and Development attitude of the inspectors who go around to the veterans giving them such information. It not only instils a great deal of fear in the people who are living in these houses hut it gives the department a bad name because in these cases the department itself must take that responsibility. Is there anything being done by the department to notify these people now living in wartime houses, and who cannot possibly raise the down payment-I think it is 10 per cent-that they are not going to be kicked out, that they do not need to worry, and that as time goes on they will be given every opportunity to purchase the house if they can raise the down payment? It would certainly do a lot to relieve the anxiety of some of these people living in these houses.

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LIB

Robert Henry Winters (Minister of Resources and Development)

Liberal

Mr. Winters:

I think that question was

dealt with in reply to a question asked by the hon. member for Calgary East. I know of no instance in which a veteran was told that if he did not buy the house he would be kicked out.

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SC

Charles Edward Johnston

Social Credit

Mr. Johnston:

I drew a case to the attention of the department.

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June 7, 1951