June 8, 1951

PC

Gordon Francis Higgins

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Higgins:

I note that there is a

decrease of $2,135. I presume that is because there would be no need for supervision of the sea birds in Newfoundland this year. Seriously, I want to thank the minister and the Secretary of State for External Affairs for the co-operation they have given in the matter of a request for the relaxation of the Migratory Birds Convention Act. I feel that when they have made this investigation that they expect to make in the next three years they will find ample evidence that there is no necessity for imposing any restrictions in the future,

Supply-Resources and Development having regard to the reproduction of the birds. In view of the fact that we have been rather successful in the request to the minister in this connection, may I ask him to give consideration, if he is not already doing so, to the introduction of red deer to the province. I think they might well be implementing the living standard of the people and they would also be quite a great tourist attraction. I do not know whether the minister has had the proposal put to him already, but I think it is well worthy of his consideration.

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LIB

Robert Henry Winters (Minister of Resources and Development)

Liberal

Mr. Winters:

The introduction of red deer to Newfoundland would be something to be initiated by the province. We would of course be glad to co-operate with them. The maintenance and care of deer in the province of Newfoundland would be the responsibility of the province of Newfoundland.

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PC

Gordon Francis Higgins

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Higgins:

But the minister would be

prepared to co-operate.

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LIB

Item agreed to.


PC

A. Earl Catherwood

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Catherwood:

Mr. Chairman, you did

not call item "S" under 388. Will you permit a question under that item?

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LIB

Robert Henry Winters (Minister of Resources and Development)

Liberal

Mr. Winters:

That "S" just means that

it is statutory.

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PC

A. Earl Catherwood

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Catherwood:

I was just going to ask

the minister a question.

National parks branch-

388. (S) National battlefields commission (chap. 57, statutes of 1908, as amended), $100,000.

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PC

A. Earl Catherwood

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Catherwood:

I wonder if the minister would indicate the nature of the expenditure under this item, and also where the $100,000 statutory amount will be expended? Would he also explain what is the relation between this item and the one under the battlefields memorials in the national defence estimates? Is there any connection between those two expenditures?

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LIB

Robert Henry Winters (Minister of Resources and Development)

Liberal

Mr. Winters:

This is a vote that is administered by the national battlefields commission under the national battlefields act, which is the responsibility of the Minister of Resources and Development. The vote is made available to the national battlefields commission in Quebec which is responsible for the administration of the national battlefield area in Quebec. The bulk of the money is spent on maintenance operations. Some of it, of course, is spent on administration, salary of permanent personnel and all the normal expenses that go into operating that historic battlefield. It applies only to the Quebec battlefield.

(Mr. Higgins.]

National parks branch-

390. National museum of Canada-administration, operation and maintenance, $228,669.

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Douglas Scott Harkness

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Harltness:

This is the item dealing with the national museum, which also was dealt with in the Massey report. I have only skimmed through that report lightly but the impression I gained was that it had given the government and preceding governments somewhat of a rocket over the national museum and the comparative neglect of it. I do not know what the government has in mind. I note that the expenditure last year was up considerably over that of 1949-50 and that it is down again this year. I think there is no doubt that our national museum has been neglected. The number of specimens that are in it is far too great for the accommodation that can be provided for them. They cannot be displayed properly, and little attention really has been paid to preserving in the museum a great deal of material of historic and other interest which it would be well worth our while in Canada to preserve.

I should like to ask the minister to tell us what his department proposes to do with regard to the national museum, and whether they have in mind any improvements whatever. I am prompted to ask that question particularly because, on looking over the details at pages 390 and 391, I do not see a single dollar in the estimates for the acquisition of new specimens of any kind. Of course they have far more specimens now than they can display properly. But the point is that more material should be added to that museum constantly. There is a great deal of material-and I am thinking particularly of a great deal of Indian material in western Canada-which is rapidly disappearing; and if steps are not taken to secure some of this material in the near future, it will be completely unavailable. A great deal of it has been purchased by private citizens in the United States, has been taken across there, and is used. In some cases it has been donated to museums there and in other cases it is in private hands. But in any event, a great deal of historic material of that nature has rapidly been disappearing and we shall soon be at the point where it will be completely unobtainable. I think it is well past time when steps should have been taken to secure distinctive collections of material-and that is just one example- from various parts of Canada and to house them properly in the national museum so that they will be available for our citizens more or less for ail time to come.

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LIB

Robert Henry Winters (Minister of Resources and Development)

Liberal

Mr. Winters:

I agree, of course, with a great deal of what the hon. member has

said. The committee may recall that when this item was before hon. members last year, I said I thought that the time had come to pay more attention to the development of the national museum. But in the meantime circumstances developed that made it necessary for all of us to devote most of our energies and what funds are available to the development of the defence program. The vote therefore was cut back as were all votes of this nature.

With respect to the acquisition of specimens, there is no designation set up for that purpose. But there are parties of various types of specialists-botanists, anthropologists, zoologists and so on-in the field who collect a wide variety of specimens and make them available for the general public in the national museum.

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Douglas Scott Harkness

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Harkness:

In my remarks I had reference not to specimens of a botanical nature but rather to specimens of historic interest, folk lore interest, native cultural interest and so on. The acquisition of those things in most cases requires a certain amount of money. These things have quite an intrinsic value apart from their value as museum pieces, and the people who have them are not going to part with them for nothing in most instances, particularly the specimens which are still left in the hands of our native population.

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LIB

Daniel Aloysius Riley

Liberal

Mr. Riley:

To what extent does the minister have jurisdiction over the art gallery which is located in the national museum building?

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LIB

Robert Henry Winters (Minister of Resources and Development)

Liberal

Mr. Winters:

None, Mr. Chairman; I have no jurisdiction over it.

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Item agreed to. Engineering and water resources branch- 391. Branch administration, $65,410.


PC

Gordon Francis Higgins

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Higgins:

Has the minister or his department had a request for a survey of water powers in the province of Newfoundland? If so, what has happened about it?

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LIB

Robert Henry Winters (Minister of Resources and Development)

Liberal

Mr. Winters:

We have had a request, Mr. Chairman, and we are conducting stream measurements in Newfoundland at the present time.

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Gordon Francis Higgins

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Higgins:

Has there not been an outside commercial corporation employed to do that work as well? Does the minister know of that? Was there any necessity for such employment?

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LIB

Robert Henry Winters (Minister of Resources and Development)

Liberal

Mr. Winters:

I cannot answer that, Mr. Chairman. There has been no outside commercial company employed by this department.

Supply-Resources and Development

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June 8, 1951