June 25, 1951

SC

John Horne Blackmore

Social Credit

Mr. Blackmore:

I could not follow all

you said, Mr. Chairman, so I was wondering if it would be in order to say a word in support of the minister's general attitude on this question of building this dam. I believe it would be of value for several reasons to have this dam built. I understand it will help the water table. Now that the United States is beginning to worry because its water table is sinking, it seems to me that this project would benefit both Canada and the United States.

I congratulate the minister on the attitude he has taken. We want him to proceed as carefully and cautiously as he did in connection with the St. Mary project. I am sure that if he comes to the conclusion that this is the right thing to do, it will not be a matter of politics but a question of whether or not it will benefit the dominion as a whole.

I might point out one other matter that should be kept in mind. Hon. members will have noticed that this has been an exceedingly wet year in southern Alberta, so much so that for a time the St. Mary river dam was almost in danger. Occasionally we have such a year of heavy precipitation. 1902 was such a year; so were 1908, 1916 and 1928. The effect of such years of heavy precipitation on filling this reservoir is something I believe should be kept in mind when contemplating the feasibility of the whole project.

Topic:   PRAIRIE FARM REHABILITATION
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT OF ACT TO PROVIDE FOR APPOINTMENT AND SUPERANNUATION OF CERTAIN OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES, ETC.
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CCF

Owen Lewis Jones

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Jones:

In view of the ruling just made, I hesitate to ask this question, but I think it should come under this bill, Has the minister given consideration to extending the operations of this act to British Columbia?

Topic:   PRAIRIE FARM REHABILITATION
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT OF ACT TO PROVIDE FOR APPOINTMENT AND SUPERANNUATION OF CERTAIN OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES, ETC.
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LIB

Joseph-Alfred Dion (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The Chairman:

That question would be out of order.

Topic:   PRAIRIE FARM REHABILITATION
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT OF ACT TO PROVIDE FOR APPOINTMENT AND SUPERANNUATION OF CERTAIN OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES, ETC.
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PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

This section gives the minister very wide power. He is given authority to appoint a director of rehabilitation, an associate director and all other officers and employees required to carry out the provisions of this act except engineers, clerks and stenographers. If the dam were proceeded with, would this not give the minister power to appoint everyone connected with that project except those specifically excepted under section 6(1)?

Topic:   PRAIRIE FARM REHABILITATION
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT OF ACT TO PROVIDE FOR APPOINTMENT AND SUPERANNUATION OF CERTAIN OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES, ETC.
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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Gardiner:

My answer I think will strengthen the ruling the chairman gave a few moments ago. The dam will not be built under P.F.R.A. funds at all. A special vote is put in the estimates for larger irrigation projects. Those who are carrying on under

Canada Lands Surveys Act that vote will not be affected by this provision. They would be appointed under the terms of the vote itself, so this would not apply to them except to the extent that engineers associated with P.F.R.A. may be working on the dam.

Topic:   PRAIRIE FARM REHABILITATION
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT OF ACT TO PROVIDE FOR APPOINTMENT AND SUPERANNUATION OF CERTAIN OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES, ETC.
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PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

How many employees are there now?

Topic:   PRAIRIE FARM REHABILITATION
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT OF ACT TO PROVIDE FOR APPOINTMENT AND SUPERANNUATION OF CERTAIN OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES, ETC.
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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Gardiner:

About 900.

Topic:   PRAIRIE FARM REHABILITATION
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT OF ACT TO PROVIDE FOR APPOINTMENT AND SUPERANNUATION OF CERTAIN OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES, ETC.
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CCF

Percy Ellis Wright

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Wrighi:

Will the years of service these various employees have given the department be taken into consideration when they are brought under the Civil Service Act, with respect to pensions and other benefits?

Topic:   PRAIRIE FARM REHABILITATION
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT OF ACT TO PROVIDE FOR APPOINTMENT AND SUPERANNUATION OF CERTAIN OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES, ETC.
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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Gardiner:

The rules and regulations governing the civil service generally will apply. There is a plan under which that is always done, and that will be followed in this case.

With regard to the authority of the minister under subsection 2, since this question was raised when we were discussing the matter previously I would call attention to the words: -but the salaries and expenses of all persons appointed1 by the minister under this subsection shall be fixed by the governor in council.

I think everyone will agree that really means the appointments are made by the governor in council. The salaries are set up in that way, and they must go before treasury board.

Topic:   PRAIRIE FARM REHABILITATION
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT OF ACT TO PROVIDE FOR APPOINTMENT AND SUPERANNUATION OF CERTAIN OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES, ETC.
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Section agreed to. Section 2 agreed to. Title agreed to. Bill reported.


LIB

Joseph-Alfred Dion (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Deputy Speaker:

When shall the bill be read the third time?

Topic:   PRAIRIE FARM REHABILITATION
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT OF ACT TO PROVIDE FOR APPOINTMENT AND SUPERANNUATION OF CERTAIN OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES, ETC.
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?

Some hon. Members:

Now.

Topic:   PRAIRIE FARM REHABILITATION
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT OF ACT TO PROVIDE FOR APPOINTMENT AND SUPERANNUATION OF CERTAIN OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES, ETC.
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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

By leave.

Topic:   PRAIRIE FARM REHABILITATION
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT OF ACT TO PROVIDE FOR APPOINTMENT AND SUPERANNUATION OF CERTAIN OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES, ETC.
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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Gardiner moved

the third reading of the bill.

Motion agreed to and bill read the third time and passed.

Topic:   PRAIRIE FARM REHABILITATION
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT OF ACT TO PROVIDE FOR APPOINTMENT AND SUPERANNUATION OF CERTAIN OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES, ETC.
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CANADA LANDS SURVEYS ACT

REVISION AND CONSOLIDATION OF DOMINION

LIB

George Prudham (Minister of Mines and Technical Surveys)

Liberal

Hon. George Prudham (Minister of Mines and Technical Surveys) moved

that the house go into committee to consider the following resolution:

That it is expedient to present a bill to repeal the Dominion Lands Surveys Act and to enact in substitution thereof the Canada Lands Surveys Act, a revision and consolidation of the former. Provision is made in the revised act for increased

Canada Dairy Products Act

remuneration for the members of the board of examiners and the secretary of the board and for special examiners.

Topic:   CANADA LANDS SURVEYS ACT
Subtopic:   REVISION AND CONSOLIDATION OF DOMINION
Sub-subtopic:   REMUNERATION OF BOARD OF EXAMINERS, ETC.
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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

Do I understand the minister is going to make a statement?

Topic:   CANADA LANDS SURVEYS ACT
Subtopic:   REVISION AND CONSOLIDATION OF DOMINION
Sub-subtopic:   REMUNERATION OF BOARD OF EXAMINERS, ETC.
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LIB

George Prudham (Minister of Mines and Technical Surveys)

Liberal

Mr. Prudham:

In committee.

Topic:   CANADA LANDS SURVEYS ACT
Subtopic:   REVISION AND CONSOLIDATION OF DOMINION
Sub-subtopic:   REMUNERATION OF BOARD OF EXAMINERS, ETC.
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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

Do I understand also that when the resolution is adopted it is the intention simply to bring in the bill and let it stand over until the fall?

Topic:   CANADA LANDS SURVEYS ACT
Subtopic:   REVISION AND CONSOLIDATION OF DOMINION
Sub-subtopic:   REMUNERATION OF BOARD OF EXAMINERS, ETC.
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June 25, 1951