June 26, 1951

LIB

Édouard-Gabriel Rinfret (Postmaster General)

Liberal

Mr. Rinfret:

The other two commissioners would be members of the department.

Topic:   POST OFFICE ACT
Subtopic:   MEASURE TO CONSOLIDATE, CODIFY AND AMEND EXISTING LEGISLATION-CONCURRENCE IN SENATE AMENDMENTS
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LIB

George Alexander Cruickshank

Liberal

Mr. Cruickshank:

Why a lawyer?

Topic:   POST OFFICE ACT
Subtopic:   MEASURE TO CONSOLIDATE, CODIFY AND AMEND EXISTING LEGISLATION-CONCURRENCE IN SENATE AMENDMENTS
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PC

Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

May I ask whether the solicitor who is to be appointed will likewise be a member of the staff of the department?

Topic:   POST OFFICE ACT
Subtopic:   MEASURE TO CONSOLIDATE, CODIFY AND AMEND EXISTING LEGISLATION-CONCURRENCE IN SENATE AMENDMENTS
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LIB

Édouard-Gabriel Rinfret (Postmaster General)

Liberal

Mr. Rinfret:

Yes.

Topic:   POST OFFICE ACT
Subtopic:   MEASURE TO CONSOLIDATE, CODIFY AND AMEND EXISTING LEGISLATION-CONCURRENCE IN SENATE AMENDMENTS
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Motion agreed to, amendments read the second time and concurred in.


CANADA DAIRY PRODUCTS ACT

ESTABLISHMENT OF NATIONAL STANDARDS

LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Right Hon. J. G. Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture) moved

the second reading of Bill No. 403, to establish national standards for dairy products and to regulate interprovincial and international trade in dairy products.

Topic:   CANADA DAIRY PRODUCTS ACT
Subtopic:   ESTABLISHMENT OF NATIONAL STANDARDS
Sub-subtopic:   REGULATION OF TRADE
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Motion agreed to, bill read the second time and the house went into committee thereon, Mr. Dion in the chair. On section 1-Short title.


CCF

Percy Ellis Wright

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Wright:

Before the clause carries I should like to say a few words with regard to this matter. I am disappointed that the bill is brought forward at this late stage in the session. The bill should have gone before the standing committee on agriculture, and producer representatives should have been called to discuss the measure. It seems to me it is a mistake to bring in the bill at this late date, because it is an important measure so far as the dairy industry of Canada is concerned. It sets out the regulations under which we are going to be able to trade inter-provincially in dairy products. It sets out the standards that are to be required for dairy products in Canada, and it seems to me that the producers of those dairy products should have been called before a committee of the house to consider the matter.

So far as the producers are concerned, I have heard quite a few complaints from them in eastern Canada with respect to the undergrading of dairy products, especially cream. Individual producers are not able to get separate returns showing what their particular grades are. The product goes from the producer to the dairy and is graded there. Government graders check the grades, but

Canada Dairy Products Act the individual producer is not able to get a return with respect to his product, except the one that comes from the company purchasing his product. He is not able to get a return of the grade made by the government inspector. I know that the dairy producers of eastern Canada have been making inquiries about this matter, and that they want some changes made in the act to allow the individual producer, or the producers' representative, to obtain a return showing the grade of their particular product. They also want some method by which they can ascertain whether the grades set by the government inspectors are carried through to the ultimate consumers, and also information as to the amount of the product manufactured when they ship cream to the dairies.

A farmer gets back a test saying the butter-fat content of his cream was 30 per cent or 40 per cent or whatever it may be, but there is nothing from the manufacturer showing that the percentage indicated represents the amount of butterfat for which he has paid the producers. I know it is not the same as with grain in western Canada, where you can follow it right through. These products are being manufactured, but under the act today there is no check on the amount of butter-fat finally produced and disposed of in the form of the manufactured product. It seems to me there should be some provision in the act compelling the manufacturer to produce returns to show he was not selling a greater amount of butterfat than he was buying from the producers. It should also be possible to see that when the producer is paid on first grade cream, that grade is carried through to the consumer.

I do not think any hon. member has been able to give this bill the consideration it should have. It was on our desks when we came down this morning; we have had about two minutes to look at it, and now we are supposed to deal intelligently with it. I believe that is a mistake. This bill should should have been sent, or should be sent even now, to the agriculture committee, where it could be given proper consideration.

Topic:   CANADA DAIRY PRODUCTS ACT
Subtopic:   ESTABLISHMENT OF NATIONAL STANDARDS
Sub-subtopic:   REGULATION OF TRADE
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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Gardiner:

On the first question as to consultation, the reason the bill has not been brought in until late in the session is that all parties have been consulted continuously. As will be recalled, this matter was up at the dominion-provincial agricultural meeting last December, and on that occasion we were asked to submit it to the provinces and the dairy organizations right across Canada. That has been done, and the consent of those organizations has been given to this type of legislation.

Canada Dairy Products Act

Topic:   CANADA DAIRY PRODUCTS ACT
Subtopic:   ESTABLISHMENT OF NATIONAL STANDARDS
Sub-subtopic:   REGULATION OF TRADE
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CCF

Percy Ellis Wright

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Wright:

Was there unanimous agreement among the producers?

Topic:   CANADA DAIRY PRODUCTS ACT
Subtopic:   ESTABLISHMENT OF NATIONAL STANDARDS
Sub-subtopic:   REGULATION OF TRADE
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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Gardiner:

So far as I know, there have been no objections to the legislation. It is the only kind of legislation we can have under the circumstances. The legislation we had previously was entirely satisfactory to everyone in the dairy industry and to the various departments of agriculture across the country, but the court decision rendered that type of legislation of no effect. It is most important that there should be legislation on the statute book which is not ultra vires, and this legislation is considered to be intra vires. Of course there is nothing to prevent its being amended in succeeding sessions if any difficulty is found with it, but it does not cover the points just raised by the hon. member for Melfort. All those points are dealt with in provincial legislation; they are not covered by this legislation at all.

When a farmer in Ontario takes his cream to a creamery in this province, all matters relating to it, including grades and everything else, are dealt with in the provincial legislation. All the provincial and dominion legislation provides that we appoint the provincial inspectors as our inspectors under this act; the provinces in turn appoint our inspectors as their inspectors under their acts, and they work in co-operation. The provincial inspectors deal with intraprovincial matters such as the grading of the cream or butter or milk for use within the province, and we touch it only when it becomes interprovincial or international trade. This legislation makes that possible.

Topic:   CANADA DAIRY PRODUCTS ACT
Subtopic:   ESTABLISHMENT OF NATIONAL STANDARDS
Sub-subtopic:   REGULATION OF TRADE
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CCF

Percy Ellis Wright

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Wrighi:

But this legislation sets the standards that must be maintained by any product when it goes into interprovincial or export trade.

Topic:   CANADA DAIRY PRODUCTS ACT
Subtopic:   ESTABLISHMENT OF NATIONAL STANDARDS
Sub-subtopic:   REGULATION OF TRADE
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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Gardiner:

Only if it goes into interprovincial or export trade. As long as the trade is within the province this does not affect it.

Topic:   CANADA DAIRY PRODUCTS ACT
Subtopic:   ESTABLISHMENT OF NATIONAL STANDARDS
Sub-subtopic:   REGULATION OF TRADE
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CCF

Percy Ellis Wright

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Wright:

But quantities of these products are exported between the provinces; therefore the standards across the dominion must be the same, which in effect means that the regulations made under this act establish the grades for the dominion.

Topic:   CANADA DAIRY PRODUCTS ACT
Subtopic:   ESTABLISHMENT OF NATIONAL STANDARDS
Sub-subtopic:   REGULATION OF TRADE
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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Gardiner:

There is nothing that says

they must be the same across the dominion. The provincial acts set out the grades for each province. By agreement we have tried to make them the same, and to all intents and purposes they are the same.

Topic:   CANADA DAIRY PRODUCTS ACT
Subtopic:   ESTABLISHMENT OF NATIONAL STANDARDS
Sub-subtopic:   REGULATION OF TRADE
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SC

Robert Fair

Social Credit

Mr. Fair:

I had intended to speak at some length in support of the arguments presented by the hon. member for Melfort, but in view

of the explanations given by the minister and his suggestion that if the act is not satisfactory it can be amended later, I will not take the time of the committee to do so.

Topic:   CANADA DAIRY PRODUCTS ACT
Subtopic:   ESTABLISHMENT OF NATIONAL STANDARDS
Sub-subtopic:   REGULATION OF TRADE
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Section agreed to. Sections 2 to 5 inclusive agreed to. On section 6-Export or import of substitutes.


LIB

John William Gordon Hunter

Liberal

Mr. Hunier:

Will the minister explain the meaning of this section? It would appear to prohibit the movement of a manufactured substitute such as margarine from one province to another, if the minister chose to do so.

Topic:   CANADA DAIRY PRODUCTS ACT
Subtopic:   ESTABLISHMENT OF NATIONAL STANDARDS
Sub-subtopic:   REGULATION OF TRADE
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June 26, 1951