June 29, 1951

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George Alexander Drew (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Drew:

Mr. Speaker, l said so yesterday and I say so coday, and you have that withdrawal. But having said that, I then ask you to consider the appropriateness of the word "smear" which is used by a man in defending an indefensible position.

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Elie Beauregard (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order. The word "smear" was used in the debate a few days ago. At that time a withdrawal was not asked for. I do not think that at this late date I should reopen that matter.

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George Alexander Drew (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Drew:

Mr. Speaker, the word "smear" was used again yesterday, and I did refer to it. Whether you do so now or whether you do so later, I ask you to rule on the use of the words "smear" and "vilification".

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Elie Beauregard (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

When unparliamentary words are used, objection should be taken to them at the time they are used. If the leader of the opposition drew my attention to those words when they were used, I do not recall the incident. I do not recall that the word "vilification" was used.

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An hon. Member:

This morning.

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Elie Beauregard (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

I recall that the word "smear" was used; and at the time it was used the leader of the opposition himself did not ask that it be withdrawn. I do not think it would serve any useful purpose to reopen the subject at this time.

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George Alexander Drew (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Drew:

Mr. Speaker, the word "vilification" was used this morning.

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Louis Stephen St-Laurent (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. St. Laurent:

Yes.

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George Alexander Drew (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Drew:

The word "smear" was used yesterday, and I did raise the question in regard to it at that time.

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Louis Stephen St-Laurent (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. St. Laurent:

Mr. Speaker, I do not want to prolong this discussion. If the word "vilification" is unparliamentary, and if the word "smear" is unparliamentary, I withdraw them. But I do say that there has been here an unfortunate tendency to try to besmirch

the reputation of men occupying public office. I think that is unfortunate, because it is already difficult enough to get the right kind of men to assume the burdens of public office when, in addition to their having to bear such burdens, there is this tendency which, in another jurisdiction, has had extremely unfortunate results because of its effect upon the reputation of those who are in public office.

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George Alexander Drew (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Drew:

Mr. Speaker, I accept the withdrawal of the Prime Minister-

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh.

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An hon. Member:

Sit down.

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Elie Beauregard (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order.

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George Alexander Drew (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Drew:

-in the spirit in which that withdrawal was offered. I would also point out that there is no principle established under our parliamentary system that, because it may be embarrassing for anyone to bear the consequences of his conduct-if members choose to bring their personal affairs into public office-it should prevent the discussion of those things which would reflect upon public office.

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Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Defence Production; Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. Howe:

Mr. Speaker, that last remark applies to myself. I realize that I am in good company here. The leader of the opposition has applied the same tactics to men with a greater claim than myself to having rendered service to this country, such as Norman Rogers, Layton Ralston, Sir Lyman Duff, and a long list of others. After all this-

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George Alexander Drew (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Drew:

Mr. Speaker-

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Some hon. Members:

Sit down.

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George Alexander Drew (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Drew:

On a question of privilege, Mr. Speaker, may I say that statement in regard to Layton Ralston is absolutely untrue.

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Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Defence Production; Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. Howe:

Mr. Speaker, I seem to remember the Hong Kong investigation. I do not think I need to go further than that. The people in this house have memories. I could give the names of ten or twelve others if it would do any good. But I want to say that if a man can rise to high office in the Conservative party on that kind of record, the party must be proud of him.

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June 29, 1951