June 29, 1951

PC

Douglas Scott Harkness

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Harkness:

The minister is stating generalities which everybody knows. He is wasting my time and the time of the committee.

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Subtopic:   USE OF WORD IN EXTERNAL AFFAIRS PRESS RELEASE
Sub-subtopic:   PUBLIC PRINTING AND STATIONERY
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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh.

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PC

Douglas Scott Harkness

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Harkness:

He is not answering the specific questions I have asked1.

I Mr. Bradley.]

It seems to me that in view of the answers he has been giving there is no use at this stage of the session to proceed further with the matter. I shall cease asking any more questions, but I shall come back next year in the hope that by that time the minister will have learned something about the printing bureau and may be able to answer a few specific questions in an intelligent manner.

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LIB

Frederick Gordon Bradley (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. Bradley:

I shall be glad to do that when the hon. member learns how to ask questions that can be answered.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

I should like to say just a few words. I could say more but I will not at this time. First of all, I want to say that I was pleased to note the expression of protest by the hon. member for Hamilton West when she learned how wage rates at the printing bureau tend to lag behind the going wage for printing in cities like Hamilton and Toronto, as well as in Ottawa and Montreal. I feel that the time is long overdue for a revision of that part of the Public Printing and Stationery Act which lays down the principle governing the wage rates at the printing bureau. I have not the act in front of me so I cannot quote it, but the gist of the appropriate section is that the wage rates paid at the bureau shall not be greater than the wage rates paid in Ottawa, Toronto and Montreal.

That leads the printers working at the bureau to feel that there is supposed to be some relationship between the two sets of wages referred to. Actually there is no need for the provision that the wage rates shall not be greater than they are in those, other cities because they are always less. The practice is to review them from time to time in the same way all prevailing rates are reviewed, namely, by reference to the Department of Labour, but there is always a time lag. The increase that is given to the printers at the bureau is always the increase won by the printers working in Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal six months or a year earlier, or sometimes a little less, even at that. I feel strongly that that part of the Public Printing and Stationery Act should be overhauled and it should be laid down as a principle that the wage rates at the bureau are to be on a par with the current wage rates in the three cities mentioned.

The usual tendency is to compare them with the wage rates paid in job shops in the three cities named in the act, but I feel, particularly when parliament is sitting, that the job of producing Hansard is more akin to work in a newspaper shop. I would point out that the scale of wages in a newspaper shop is always higher than in job shops.

There are two other things I want to say and I shall express myself as briefly as pos-

sible and serve notice on the Secretary of State that I will be back in future sessions with these points. Despite the plausible answer he gave a few weeks ago I feel that not only should the government permit employees in places like the printing bureau to belong to trade unions of their choice, but they should enter into collective bargaining with those employees through the trade unions of their choice.

I feel also that the government should pay more attention to the shops with which printing is placed to see that as much as possible, if not all of it, is placed with trade union shops. A short while ago I placed some questions on the order paper seeking information as to the volume of printing done at the bureau and the volume let out to other firms. Then with respect to printing let out to other firms I asked what percentage was given to union shops and what percentage to non-union shops. The answer that came back was that no information was available on that point.

Then I placed another set of questions asking for details as to the particular shops to which printing was let in each of the last three complete years and I asked which of those shops were entitled to use the trade union label of an allied printing trades council. While I got information as to the shops with which printing had been placed and the dollar value thereof, with regard to the union label question I was told that no information was available. I may tell the Secretary of State that I have taken steps to ascertain for him the total dollar value of this printing in the three years in question that was let to shops that could use the trade union label and the total dollar value let to shops not entitled to use the trade union label. Since the Secretary of State was not able to give me that information I shall give it to him either this fall or in the 1952 session, and I shall again press my point that government printing should be done in union shops.

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Item agreed to. Progress reported.


LIB

Elie Beauregard (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

I have the honour to inform the house that I have received the following communication:

Ottawa, June 29, 1951

Sir:

I have the honour to inform you that the Honourable R. L. Kellock, a judge of the Supreme Court of Canada, acting as Deputy of His Excellency the

House of Commons

Administrator, will proceed to the Senate chamber on Saturday, the 30th of June, at 1.00 p.m. for the purpose of giving the royal assent to certain bills.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

J. F. Delaute,

Assistant Secretary to the Governor General.

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BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE

LIB

Alphonse Fournier (Minister of Public Works; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Fournier (Hull):

Tomorrow we hope

to take up the remainder of the main estimates and the supplementaries. We would wish to proceed first with veterans affairs supplementary estimates, then labour, post office, finance and there are a few other departments which will be taken but I cannot indicate the order in which we will proceed.

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INQUIRY FOR RETURN

PORTUGAL COVE, NFLD., WHARF

PC

Gordon Francis Higgins

Progressive Conservative

Mr. G. F. Higgins (St. John's East):

May I

inquire of the minister when I may expect the return I asked for about a week ago in connection with a wharf at Portugal Cove?

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LIB

Alphonse Fournier (Minister of Public Works; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Hon. Alphonse Fournier (Minister of Public Works):

I have not yet received an answer

from the premier of Newfoundland.

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FIRST REPORT OF SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON PROCEDURE

LIB

Elie Beauregard (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

May I be permitted to revert to presenting reports by standing and select committees. The select committee of the house appointed to consider with Mr. Speaker the procedure of this house for the purpose of suggesting any changes that may be desirable to assure the more expeditious dispatch of public business begs leave of the house to present its first report.

At its meeting today your committee gave consideration to a number of proposals advanced by its members respecting house procedure and hours of sitting. Your committee recommends:

(1) That a select committee of the house be appointed as soon as possible after the opening of the next session of parliament with the same terms of reference;

(2) that during the recess members of parliament send Mr. Speaker any suggestions they may wish to make.

On motion of Mr. Fournier (Hull) the house adjourned at 11.45 pjm.

Supply

[The following items were passed in committee of supply]:

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DEPARTMENT OF NATIONAL REVENUE


Customs and excise divisions- 309. General administration, $1,936,980. 310. Inspection, investigation and audit services, $2,695,241. Ports, outports and preventive stations- 311. Operation and maintenance, $18,244,353. 312. Construction or acquisition of buildings, works, land and new equipment (revote $60,000), $739,000. 313. Customs excise seizure expenses and adjustments, $175,000. Taxation division- 314. General administration, $1,530,206. 315. Internal inspection and verification, $1,016,386. 316. District offices, $22,925,702. Income tax appeal board- 317. Administration expenses, $62,286. Customs and excise divisions- Ports, outports and preventive stations- 735. Construction or acquisition of buildings, works, land and new equipment-further amount required, $138,700. Canadian Broadcasting Corporation- International shortwave broadcasting station- 53. Maintenance and operation including authority to credit to the appropriation revenue from rental of facilities in Radio Canada building to an amount of $100,000 and to re-expend it for the purposes of the international service, $1,709,675. 54. Construction or acquisition of buildings, works, land and new equipment, including supervision, $218,925. Loans, investments and advances- Canadian Broadcasting Corporation- 564. Loans to the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation repayable with interest at a rate to be fixed by the governor in council on such terms and conditions as the governor in council may determine and to be applied in payment of expenditures to cover capital costs of television installations and to support the development of the service. Such loans, with interest shall be a charge on the revenues of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation next after the charge imposed under the provisions of section 17 of the Canadian Broadcasting Act, 1936, $1,500,000. Canadian Broadcasting Corporation- 670. To provide for an interim grant to the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation pending amendment of the Canadian Broadcasting Act, $1,500,000. International shortwave broadcasting station- 671. Construction or acquisition of buildings, works, land and new equipment, including supervision (revote)-further amount required, $235,678.


DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS


A-Department and missions abroad- 84. Departmental administration, $2,272,597. A-Department and missions abroad- 682. Representation abroad-operational-including payment of salaries of high commissioners, ambassadors, ministers plenipotentiary, consuls, secretaries and staff appointed as directed by the governor general in council, notwithstanding anything to the contrary in the Civil Service Act or any of its amendments-further amount required, $110,000. 683. To provide for official hospitality-further amount required by reason of the visit of the President of France, $20,000. B-General- The Canadian government's assessment for membership in international or commonwealth organizations- 684. Further amount required to supplement votes 95-98 inclusive, and 100-105 inclusive, in the main estimates to meet fluctuations in exchange, $40,000. 685. Contribution to the North Atlantic Treaty organization to meet the Canadian government's share of the cost of civil administration, $320,000. Terminable services- 686. Contribution to the United Nations international children's emergency fund, $500,000. 687. To provide for and authorize grants or loans to governments of countries in south and southeast Asia to assist in the economic development of such countries, and special administrative expenses in connection therewith, $25,000,000. 688. To provide for the purchase and transportation to Yugoslavia of relief supplies, $45,000.



154. To provide for the destruction of harbour and gray seals, $30,000. Fisheries research boards- 155. Headquarters administration, $89,814. Fisheries research board- 156. Operation and maintenance, $1,494,498. 157. Construction or acquisition of buildings, works, land and new equipment, $222,560. International commissions- 158. To provide for Canadian share of expenses of the international fisheries commission appointed under treaty dated January 29, 1937, between Canada and the United States for the preservation of the North Pacific halibut fisheries, $50,000. 159. To provide for Canadian share of expenses of the international Pacific salmon fisheries commission appointed under treaty dated May 26, 1930, between Canada and the United States for the protection, preservation and extension of the sockeye salmon fisheries of the Fraser river system, $166,350. 160. To provide for Canadian share of expenses of the international Pacific salmon fisheries commission to overcome obstructions to the ascent of sock-eye salmon at Hell's Gate canyon and for investigating and overcoming obstructions to such salmon at other points on the Fraser river watershed (revote), $32,000. 161. To provide for Canadian share of expenses of the international whaling commission, appointed pursuant to the international convention for the regulation of whaling, dated at Washington, December 2, 1946, $3,000. 162. To provide for Canadian share of expenses of the international commission for the northwest Atlantic fisheries appointed pursuant to international conventions for the investigation, protection and conservation of the fisheries of the northwest Atlantic ocean, dated at Washington, February 8, 1949, $2,500. Special- 163. To provide for operation and maintenance of Newfoundland bait service, $392,444. 164. To provide for the extension of educational work in co-operative producing and selling among fishermen, $80,000. 165. To provide for administration expenses of the Fisheries Prices Support Act, 1944, $81,042. Supply 166. To provide for assistance in the construction of vessels of the dragger and/or long liner type, subject to such terms and conditions as may be approved by the governor in council, $100,000. 167. To provide for assistance in the construction of bait freezing and storage facilities, subject to the approval of the governor in council, $30,000. General services- 691. Industrial development service-further amount required, $15,000. 692. To provide for transportation, dressing and dyeing and other expenses incidental to receiving and disposing of fur seal skins accruing to Canada pursuant to provisional fur seal agreement between Canada and the United States by exchange of notes dated December 26, 1947-further amount required, $300,000. Field services- Protection branch- 693. Operation and maintenance-further amount required, $165,605. 694. Construction or acquisition of buildings, works, land and new equipment-further amount required, $105,125. Fisheries research board- 695. Construction or acquisition of buildings, works, land and new equipment-further amount required, $147,000. International commissions- 696. To provide for Canadian share of expenses of the international commission for the northwest Atlantic fisheries appointed pursuant to international conventions for the investigation, protection, and conservation of the fisheries of the northwest Atlantic ocean, dated at Washington, February 8, 1949-further amount required, $15,000. Special- 697. To provide for administration expenses of the Fisheries Prices Support Act, 1944-further amount required, $7,300. 698. To provide for assistance in the construction of vessels of the dragger and/or long liner type, subject to such terms and conditions as may be approved by the governor in council-further amount required, $50,000. 699. Amount required to recoup fisheries prices support account, to cover the net operating loss of the fisheries prices support board during the fiscal year 1950-51, $88,641. 700. To provide for acquisition of lands required by the international Pacific salmon fisheries commission, as required by article VIII of treaty dated May 26, 1930, between Canada and the United States for the protection, preservation and extension of the sockeye salmon fisheries of the Fraser river system, $200.


June 29, 1951