February 29, 1952

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James Arthur Ross

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Ross (Souris):

It is a few miles from Regina.

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James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Gardiner:

Yes, but it is 2,000 miles from where one of these fairs may be held in some part of eastern Canada. I would hesitate to say that everyone who is conducting a fair should close it; but at the same time they may think in Ontario that some animals have been brought into the district that may have carried the disease, and that they would be better without the fair. Where they have that feeling I would not like to say anything that would discourage them from closing up the fair, but at the same time I do not think we should take the responsibility for saying that all these fairs ought to be closed. If you were out in Moose Jaw, say, in the middle of the area, I think my hon. friend agrees as to what he would do, and I know what I would do. We would not be at the show; and if nobody is

Foot-and-mouth disease at the show there will not be one, no matter what action they take. I think they will deal with that locally without any difficulty. I think that covers the point.

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Douglas Scott Harkness

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Harkness:

Has the minister looked into it or had determined the constitutionality of the action of some of the provinces in putting an embargo on all livestock and dressed meats from the three prairie provinces, and can he make any statement in regard to that phase of the situation?

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James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Gardiner:

Yes, the government has looked into it, and we have had opinions. Unfortunately it is quite difficult to get a definite opinion on a general statement of the position. The general position is that in connection with agriculture and immigration, as is known in this house, both authorities have the right to legislate. But the general interpretation is that, where both have legislated, our legislation overrides the provincial legislation. Both have legislated with regard to this matter in some provinces. When we say ours overrides the other, we have followed in the past the practice of taking under consideration the circumstances surrounding the matter before we would interfere with what the province does. A province may do something which applies only to itself, and which affects only itself and does not affect people elsewhere. We have been inclined not to criticize them for that, or take any action which would void what they jure doing. In this case all I would say is that we have given every possible consideration to it. We think we have a way of dealing with it which will be effective and at the same time will not interfere with reasonable actions taken by provinces. I hope that we shall be in a position to make some announcement about that.

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Douglas Scott Harkness

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Harkness:

So far as the powers of embargo of the provinces are concerned, is there any distinction between livestock and dressed meats?

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James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Gardiner:

I should not like to give a legal opinion on that, but there is a distinction between the ways in which we have dealt with it up to date. A suggestion has gone out that Ontario asked us to do certain things and we did certain things. Well, Ontario did ask us to do certain things, but all we have done was done before that request was made. What we had done was to agree to people delivering livestock into the stockyards of Winnipeg and into the packing plants of Winnipeg, but we did not agree to any livestock being shipped out of those yards. That simply means in effect that the animal must be killed and turned into beef. But we did not prevent the shipment of beef out of the

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Foot-and-mouth disease yards so that the actual result of that is that no livestock comes from Winnipeg into Ontario at the present moment, but that beef does come from Winnipeg into Ontario.

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Douglas Scott Harkness

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Harkness:

What about the British Columbia situation?

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James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Gardiner:

Well, the British Columbia situation is the same in effect except that British Columbia has gone a little farther. British Columbia has taken authority, although I do not know that they have acted on it, to eliminate beef as well as cattle. However, I am not so sure that they will make that active. They can do so under their legislation, if their legislation is constitutional.

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George Alexander Cruickshank

Liberal

Mr. Cruickshank:

May I ask a supplementary question? If British Columbia desires to take that action, will any objection be put in their way by the federal authority?

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James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Gardiner:

No, Mr. Speaker; if we follow the plan that we have in mind at the moment it will not require that we take any action.

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John Alpheus Charlton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Charlton:

Can the minister say when actual quarantine proceedings were taken in that district first?

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James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Gardiner:

A week ago last Wednesday.

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John Alpheus Charlton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Charlton:

It had gone all the way from November 26 to ,a week ago Wednesday.

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Elie Beauregard (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order.

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James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Gardiner:

It would have gone all the way until next Christmas at least if we had not had proof that warranted us in thinking it was foot-and-mouth disease.

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Harry Oliver White

Progressive Conservative

Mr. White (Middlesex East):

In view of the loss of a herd in western Ontario through a tropical disease, will compensation be paid to that owner the same as with foot-and-mouth disease?

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James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Gardiner:

The disease in Oxford county which I think affected the herd of one individual, whose animals were destroyed and buried yesterday, puts him in this position. It is intended to so draft legislation, which will be brought before the house, as to make it possible to take care of this case along with the others.

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Douglas Scott Harkness

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Harkness:

I have one other question on this matter. The minister said-

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Elie Beauregard (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order. I did not want to curtail the asking of questions on this matter, because it is an important one. At this time I do not think questions should be asked which are not very important. I understand the hon. member for Calgary East (Mr.

Harkness) and the hon. member for Rosetown-Biggar (Mr. Coldwell) want to ask a question. I hope the questioning will have been completed by that time.

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Douglas Scott Harkness

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Harkness:

My question is this. The minister said that the United States had not put an embargo on grain going into that country. However, I understand from the newspapers that they have stopped the shipment of grain. What I want to know is: in actual fact, are they now allowing grain to go in there, or are they actually stopping it, as has been reported?

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February 29, 1952