March 4, 1952

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Some hon. Members:

Agreed.

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ANIMAL CONTAGIOUS DISEASES

PROVISION FOR CONTROL AND EXTIRPATION OF FOOT-AND-MOUTH DISEASE


The house resumed, from Monday, March 3, consideration in committee of the following resolution: That it is expedient to bring in a measure for the control and extirpation of foot-and-mouth disease and to provide in connection therewith for the payment of compensation, out of moneys appropriated by parliament, to the owners of animals slaughtered, and also in respect of any buildings, fodder, grain or other things ordered to be destroyed.


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James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Gardiner:

Mr. Chairman, I should first like to ask the leader of the opposition whether he wishes to proceed further with the remarks he was making last evening, or

whether, before he proceeds, he wishes me to answer some of the questions that were asked last evening.

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George Alexander Drew (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Drew:

In view of the fact that there were a number of questions and that the Minister of Agriculture has had the opportunity to check some of the details with his department, I think it may be best if he deals with those questions; then any remarks I might have to make could follow. It may well be that some of the answers he now has will deal with the very point that 1 proposed to raise.

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James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Gardiner:

First, in order to give the house the complete record, as nearly as it is possible to do so, of what has happened up to date in connection with either foot-and-mouth disease or any other disease which may have been checked in the area, I should like to read this into the record.

Mr. Waas, of McLean, on or about November 26, called Dr. Richards of Indian Head, who prescribed for vesicular stomatitis. Dr. Hunter of Regina was called by Mr. Waas and agreed that it was vesicular stomatitis and continued the treatment. Then Mr. Waas reported to provincial veterinarian Dr. Johnson a day or so later, who agreed it was stomatitis.

Information was given by Dr. Johnson to Dr. Christie, who is in charge of our branch at Regina, on December 1. On December 2, Dr. James went out, on instructions from Dr. Christie, to investigate, and he carried on part of the check which was indicated to the house yesterday as the proper procedure in such cases. In other words, he injected some of the material into the tongue of a horse, and vesicular stomatitis developed as a result of that injection. I understand that this is taken by veterinarians to indicate that it was vesicular stomatitis and not foot-and-mouth disease. Then he examined the animals and pronounced it stomatitis. He reported his findings to Dr. Christie, and was sent cut the next day to quarantine the place; that is, he was there and made the examinations on December 2 and quarantined the place on December 3.

Dr. James then examined herds in the surrounding area and did not find any traces of the disease at that time. Dr. James reported the same disease in Smith's herd on December 7. Smith was a neighbour of Mr. Waas who assisted Mr. Waas in treating his stock. The disease appeared in the herd of Mr. Wood on December 12. Mr. Wood was another neighbour who assisted Mr. Waas in treating his stock.

Dr. James again covered the surrounding herds and found nothing further. Later in

Foot-and-mouth disease December a herd was found north and west toward Lumsden and in the vicinity of Was-cana creek-

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Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Coldwell:

What was the date?

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James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Gardiner:

I have not the exact date, but it was within, a few days of that time. As to the farms at McLean-that is the farms of Mr. Wood, Mr. Smith and Mr. Waas-the farm of Mr. Waas was cleared on December 8. It was found there was no further indication of the disease on December 8 and his farm was cleared. The farm of Mr. Wood was cleared on December 27, and that of Mr. Smith on December 27-[DOT]both the same day. This same disease appeared in the Bums feed lot in the latter part of December, and the feed lot was quarantined on December 28 for stomatitis. Nothing was allowed to go out of the yard until the quarantine was lifted on January 17. Any animals which did go out of the Burns yards within a reasonable time were traced and evidence secured that none of them turned out to be carriers.

Dr. Childs was out in Regina speaking to the livestock association on January 17. He discussed with our officials the matter of the disease which had been prevalent. He was at the livestock association annual meeting for the purpose of discussing certain diseases in horses, and Newcastle disease. He was not approached at the meeting by anyone who represented that foot-and-mouth disease existed in that area. He did, however, discuss the question of the investigations that had been made into stomatitis, and satisfied himself that it was not other than as it had been diagnosed.

On February 13 our branch at Regina reported through Dr. Hall-who, I may say, is assistant to Dr. Childs, and1 was in charge while Dr. Childs was away, first in order to attend this meeting at Regina, and later to take his usual statutory vacation-that the disease was taking on a more serious appearance. Samples of material were collected and sent to Hull, to Dr. Mitchell, on February 14, arriving here on the 16th. On the 16th Dr. Childs returned. On or about the 16th the samples were used on horses, cattle and swine, as suggested.

By February 18, indications were that the disease might be foot-and-mouth disease. I would say that on the 18th checks were made on cattle, swine and horses in Regina under the direction of Dr. Childs, and the report later was that there was no reaction to those injections.

I should have said that Dr. Childs left here on the 16th and flew to Regina, and was in Regina on the 17th. That is the occasion on which he went to Regina officially to deal

Foot-and-mouth disease with this matter. He put in that day and until Wednesday night in the area. He spent Sunday in consultation with Drs. Christie and Carlson. This convinced him there was a serious condition. He quarantined six municipalities on Monday, February 18. This was increased to ten by Wednesday, when the quarantine was confirmed by order in council at Ottawa. The quarantine was actually in effect on Monday. The Burns plant was closed under orders on February 19. In short, I think it will be apparent that there were seven days between the time it was reported that the disease was taking on a more serious turn and the time it was established as foot-and-mouth disease.

I think I should say-although it is not in this record; I had it over the phone and otherwise just before coming to the house-that the material upon which there was proof of foot-and-mouth disease in the area was taken from three animals, I think it was, in the Burns plant. That is, these materials were not taken elsewhere. The evidence with regard to the other cases would indicate that it may have been stomatitis that was on these different farms that I am going to refer to in a moment; or there is a possibility that on some of them it may have been foot-and-mouth disease, but there is no absolute proof with regard to that.

The material taken in order to have the tests made at Ottawa was taken from three animals, perhaps I should not say in the Bums plant, but in the Burns feed lot, where animals remain for some time and are fed before they are slaughtered. I understand these animals were from among those, and the tests were made, and they were found to be suffering from some disease. The samples were taken there, and the tests were made in Ottawa.

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John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

Where did these three animals come from?

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Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Coldwell:

Where had these animals originated?

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James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Gardiner:

I have been trying to find out today where these animals originated, but up to the time I came to the house I was not certain of that; therefore I do not want to make any suggestion that they came from any particular person's farm. My main objective in making the inquiries I made was to see whether or not they could be traced back to those original farms. But so far as I have been able to trace them up to the moment I have not been able to find that they were from those farms.

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George James Tustin

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Tustin:

Were there any further outbreaks on the farms that were cleared in the check?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Gardiner:

These three farms are still clear; they have not had the disease.

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George James Tustin

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Tustin:

There has been no further outbreak?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Gardiner:

The other question that hon. members asked late in the evening had to do with the names of the farms on which stock had been checked and found to have had one or other of the diseases. There was Leonard T. Waas at McLean. I do not know whether the committee wants me to read all the numbers of their cattle. If it is desired to place the figures on the record, that will be quite all right.

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Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Coldwell:

Is it necessary to put these names on the record at all?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Gardiner:

They asked for them last night, and I agreed to produce them; but if the committee does not require them, that is all right, because I have reasons for feeling that probably it is just as well not to put them on.

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LIB

George Alexander Cruickshank

Liberal

Mr. Cruickshank:

Were any of the stock shipped out alive from the Burns plant?

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March 4, 1952