June 12, 1952

PC

Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

I say, Mr. Speaker, that that situation will be confronted if it should arise. It may not arise. But that does not entitle the government to ignore its responsibility to consult these provinces. If the Minister of Justice (Mr. Garson) is looking for a sound exposition of the constitutional position in this matter I commend to him the words of Laurier, Lapointe, and Cardin who were not interested in hair-splitting, but who laid down in categorical, plain and emphatic terms that there is no right to obtain amendments to this constitution without consultation with the provinces. What did they mean?

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LIB

John Sylvester Aloysius Sinnott

Liberal

Mr. Sinnott:

That is not answering the question.

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Gladstone Mansfield Ferrie

Liberal

Mr. Ferrie:

That was 50 years ago.

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

Oh, the hon. member

apparently thinks that is too long ago; there is a new doctrine in the Liberal party. That is precisely what I have been saying, Mr. Speaker. The Liberal party today has thrown overboard the sound constitutional position taken by Laurier, Lapointe and Cardin.

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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin (Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Liberal

Mr. Martin:

Nonsense; sheer nonsense.

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

There is no greater authority on the subject of nonsense in this house than the minister who has just spoken.

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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin (Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Liberal

Mr. Martin:

Nonsense.

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

He has plastered the pages of Hansard with more of that particular commodity than has any other member in this house.

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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin (Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Liberal

Mr. Martin:

Nonsense.

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PC

Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

I think he is still a little bit troubled in his mind. He had better put himself to work polishing up the teeth on that totem pole that appeared in his cartoon last week.

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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin (Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Liberal

Mr. Martin:

Sheer nonsense.

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Stuart Sinclair Garson (Solicitor General of Canada; Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. Garson:

Will my hon. friend permit another question? If upon such consultation with the provinces two of them refused to consent, where would my hon. friend suggest this parliament should go from there?

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

I would say that situation would have to be considered in the light of the objections taken by the two provinces at that time. What would Laurier have said?

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Walter Edward Harris (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration)

Liberal

Mr. Harris (Grey-Bruce):

What did he do?

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

What would Lapointe have said? Laurier said we had no right to change

British North America Act this constitution without consulting with the provinces. He said it repeatedly. Lapointe said the same thing. What did Mr. Cardin say? They all said the same thing.

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Stuart Sinclair Garson (Solicitor General of Canada; Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. Garson:

What does the hon. member say?

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

The same thing.

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Louis Stephen St-Laurent (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. St. Laurent:

For the Progressive Conservative party?

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

I have no doubt that in what I am saying now I am in accord with the views of the Progressive Conservative party, of which I am very happy to be a member.

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LIB

Louis Stephen St-Laurent (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. St. Laurent:

And which we are now very glad to have on the record for the first time.

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June 12, 1952