What is the full cost of running this pipe line? Do you know what the estimated cost is? How much is it going to cost to operate it? What is the cost of operation from Alberta to Winnipeg and then on? We do not know. Let us have the answer. We may have to take over this pipe line and we want to know something about running it.
Well, my friend, I can read it, which is probably more than you can do. There is one question that I think affects pretty well every Canadian, and it should be answered. Why is money being made available to this unnamed company at 5 per cent when national housing loans to Canadians are at 5i per cent and the industrial development bank interest rate to Canadian companies is not anywhere near 5 per cent and Canadian money going through the Canadian farm loan board to Canadian farmers is only guaranteed at 5 per cent up to the end of this year? The suggestion is that it will be higher. Why do we lend money to Americans at a lower rate of interest than we are prepared to lend it to Canadians? I might also add that the percentage of the loan is higher. A 90 per cent percentage loan is higher than any National Housing Act loan on the books. The government will not authorize loans to Canadians higher than 60 per cent of the over-all National Housing Act loan.
Never mind what McMahon wants. Have we unqualified assurance that when this pipe line comes to Winnipeg, before it goes to Emerson, it will come across into Ontario and Quebec? I have not seen it. I have read Hansard from the beginning and it is not there. There is no assurance.
Mr. Pallet!: I asked the minister last Friday on the orders of the day, what about atomic energy. I asked when is atomic energy going to be ready for the development of electrical energy. He did not know, he said.