February 22, 1961

LIB

Maurice Bourget

Liberal

Mr. Maurice Bourget (Levis):

Mr. Speaker, in the absence of the Minister of Public Works, I should like to put a question to his parliamentary secretary. Could he elab-borate on the answer he gave a moment ago to question No. 140, to the effect that the department does not know as yet when the plans and specifications for the unemployment insurance building in Toronto will be completed, while in this year's estimates the item concerning this project has been increased from $400,000 to $900,000?

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Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE OFFICE, TORONTO PLANS
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Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

Order. The hon. member seems to want to argue about an answer that has been given. If we were to pursue that course we would have interminable debate at this period. Questions may be asked for the purpose of eliciting information but not for the purpose of presenting a point of view.

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LIB

Maurice Bourget

Liberal

Mr. Bourget:

But, Mr. Speaker-

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Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE OFFICE, TORONTO PLANS
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Some hon. Members:

Order.

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Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

I will hear the hon. member if he disagrees.

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LIB

Maurice Bourget

Liberal

Mr. Bourget:

I was just asking the parliamentary secretary how he could reconcile the answer he gave me-

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Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

Order. The parliamentary

secretary does not have to reconcile answers that are given. That is not the purpose of the question period. If the hon. member wishes to debate it I hope he will defer his debate to the proper time.

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FEDERAL BUILDING RENOVATION, KIRKLAND LAKE

CCF

Mr. Peters (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

1. Was a contract let recently for the renovation of the federal building at Kirkland Lake?

2. If so, in what places was the advertisement for this work published or displayed?

3. How many tenders were received, and from whom?

4. What was the amount of each tender?

5. To whom was the contract awarded, and where does the successful contractor reside?

6. Was any preference given to encourage local contractors under the winter works program?

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Subtopic:   FEDERAL BUILDING RENOVATION, KIRKLAND LAKE
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Yvon-Roma Tassé (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Works)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Y. R. Tasse (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Works):

Mr. Speaker, the answer to the first part of the question is yes. The answer to the second part is Kirkland Lake and New Liskeard, Ontario. The answer to parts 3 and 4 is that two tenders were received, one from Hill-Clark-Francis Ltd., of North Bay, Ontario, $53,187, and the other from G. L. Hamilton Construction Ltd., Kirkland Lake, Ontario, $65,000. The answer to part 5 of the question is that the contract was awarded to Hill-Clark-Francis Ltd., of North Bay, Ontario. The answer to part 6 is yes. It was part of the winter works pro-

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gram. Advertising of tenders was limited to the immediate area and the contract specified that preference was to be given to the use of local labour.

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BOBCAT PILOT MODELS-DEVELOPMENT COSTS

LIB

Mr. Rouleau

Liberal

Does the cost of the 20 pilot models of the bobcat plus production tooling, estimated at 31 million dollars by the Minister of National Defence on February 14, 1961, include the sum of $2,951,371.54 given as the full cost of the development of this carrier up to February 1, 1960, given in the answer to question No. 174, answered February 24, 1960?

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Subtopic:   BOBCAT PILOT MODELS-DEVELOPMENT COSTS
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Douglas Scott Harkness (Minister of National Defence)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. D. S. Harkness (Minister of National Defence):

The short answer to this question is, no. The estimate of $3J million quoted in the house on February 14 last includes the cost of 20 pilot models, production tooling, production improvement and drawings and specifications suitable for the letting of a fixed price contract for the balance of the 500 vehicles authorized.

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WHARF REPAIRS, BAY OF ISLANDS, NFLD.

LIB

Mr. Baiien

Liberal

1. What was the hourly rate of wages paid for day labour on wharf repairs at Cox's Cove, Bay of Islands, Newfoundland, undertaken during the year 1960?

2. What was the hourly rate of wages paid for day labour on wharf repairs at Gillams, Bay of Islands, Newfoundland, during the same period?

3. If any substantial difference exists between these two rates, what explanation is given for such difference?

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Subtopic:   WHARF REPAIRS, BAY OF ISLANDS, NFLD.
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Yvon-Roma Tassé (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Works)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Y. R. Tasse (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Works):

In answer to part 1, hourly rates paid at Cox's Cove, Bay of Islands, Newfoundland, on wharf repairs during 1960 were: foreman, $1.30; timberman, $1.20; labourer, $1.

Hourly rates paid at Gillams, Bay of Islands, Newfoundland, on wharf repairs during the same period were: foreman, $2.15; carpenter, $2.00; labourer, $1.35. That answers part 2.

In answer to part 3, rates paid by the Department of Public Works on various projects across Canada are established on the basis of advice from the Department of Labour as to what rates prevail in the area concerned and at the time concerned. The explanation for the difference in this case is that Gillams is closer to Corner Brook than Cox's Cove, and many of the workers in Gillams are actually employed in Corner Brook. Therefore rates in Gillams are affected more by rates prevailing in Corner Brook. Workers at Cox's Cove are mainly involved in fishing and woods work, and the rates paid by the department there are based on rates provided by the labour department survey as prevailing in Cox's Cove and in other centres in the area.

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Subtopic:   WHARF REPAIRS, BAY OF ISLANDS, NFLD.
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WHARF COST, ST. JOHN'S ISLAND, NFLD.

LIB

Mr. Batten

Liberal

1. What was the total cost of construction of the wharf built at St. John's island, St. Barbe, Newfoundland, during the year 1960?

2. What was (a) the total cost of material, and (b) the total cost of labour?

3. From whom were materials bought, and what was the total cost in each case?

4. What were the names of those employed, and the total amount of wages paid to each?

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Subtopic:   WHARF COST, ST. JOHN'S ISLAND, NFLD.
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Yvon-Roma Tassé (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Works)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Y. R. Tasse (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Works):

The answer to part 1 is $17,017.20. The answer to part 2 (a) is $9,345.54 and the answer to part 2(b) is $7,671.66.

The answer to parts 3 and 4 involves a list of some 25 names and figures, so if the house would allow them to be inserted in Hansard as if read that would perhaps be the appropriate course to take.

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Some hon. Members:

Agreed.

[Editor's note: The tables referred to above are as follows.3

3. -Dunphy's Ltd., Curling, $6,494.05; J. E. Billard, Port aux Choix, $1,467.50; J. E. Bil-lard, Port aux Choix, $109.22; John Farrel, Port aux Choix, $73.75; A. O. Parsons, Woody Point, $6.82; John Rumbolt, Castor River, $297.50; Cost of transporting ballast to site by boat, $896.70.

4. -Wm. L. Parsons, foreman, $1,077.12; Clyde Chambers, carpenter, $757.25; Hubert Chambers, labourer, $429.84; George Chambers, labourer, $514.08; Eli Chambers, labourer, $492.08; Michael Eastman, labourer, $334.56; Walter Galliott, labourer, $461.04; William Offrey, labourer, $582.24; Fred Parsons, labourer, $353.52; Joseph Offrey, labourer, $531.43; Henry Galliott, labourer, $510.00; Nelson McLean, labourer, $464.80; Absalom Chambers, labourer, $492.80; Frank Eastman, labourer, $444.24; Peter Offrey, labourer, $44.00; Francis Offrey, labourer, $44.00; Henry Offrey, labourer, $36.00; U.I.C. contributions, $102.66.

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Subtopic:   WHARF COST, ST. JOHN'S ISLAND, NFLD.
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February 22, 1961