November 12, 1962

RENOUS, N.B. PREVAILING RATES PAID

LIB

Mr. McWilliam

Liberal

As of November 1, 1962, what are the wage rates paid to each prevailing wage rate group at the naval ammunition depot, Renous, N.B,?

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Douglas Scott Harkness (Minister of National Defence)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Harkness:

Prevailing rate classifications and rates of pay at Renous, N. B., authorized as of 1 November, 1962:

Hourly rate

Classification of pay

Ammunition worker class 1 $1.39

Ammunition worker class 2 1.43

Ammunition worker class 3 1.58

Ammunition worker class 4 1.81

Ammunition worker class 5 1.97

Carpenter 1.70

Driver 1.38

Electrician 1.95

Heavy equipment mechanic 1.65

Heavy equipment operator 1.65

Labourer 1.30

Light equipment operator 1.50

Machinist 2.00

Motor mechanic 1.60

Painter and glazier 1.55

Painter (spray) 1.55

Plumber and steamfitter 1.90

Trades helper 1.35

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RECOMMENDATIONS OF COMMISSION ON GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATION

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Mr. Malheson

1. Pursuant to the recommendations of the royal commission on government organization, what decisions have now been reached with reference to (a) re-defining the functions of the treasury board and its staff (b) transferring personnel management functions from the civil service commission to the departments and to treasury board (c) increasing the salaries of senior administrative personnel?

2. Which of these decisions, if any, have already been implemented?

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John George Diefenbaker (Prime Minister)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

1 and 2. These recommendations are currently being considered by ministers and senior officials. It is not planned to reach final decision on these major points until further volumes of reports have been received and studied.

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HIGHWAY TO LINK NOREMBEGA, ONT. AND LA REINE, QUE.

SC

Mr. Laprise

Social Credit

Have the provincial governments of Quebec and Ontario asked the federal government to co-operate in the construction of a roadway linking Norembega in Ontario, and La Reine in Quebec, and, if so, when was such request made, and what reply was given thereto?

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Walter Gilbert Dinsdale (Minister of Northern Affairs and National Resources)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Dinsdale:

No.

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TELECAST OF GREY CUP GAME

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Mr. Maclnnis

1. Did the C.B.C. indicate to the B.B.G. that they were prepared to carry the telecast of the Grey cup game at any point during the negotiations between the B.B.G., C.T.V., C.B.C., and any other interested and involved parties and, if so, what were the terms of the proposal of the C.B.C.?

2. Did C.T.V. offer to the C.B.C. the right of carrying the telecast of the Grey cup game without carrying the advertising that will be associated with the C.T.V. telecast of the Grey cup game?

3. On what grounds did the B.B.G. compel the C.B.C. to carry the telecast of the Grey cup game complete with associated advertising sold by C.T.V.?

4. Did the C.B.C. make any proposals during the course of the negotiations dealing with the Grey cup game telecast as to how this matter might be resolved and, if so (a) what were these proposals (b) were these proposals considered by the B.B.G. and (c) why were these proposals not acceptable to the B.B.G.?

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George Ernest Halpenny (Secretary of State of Canada)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Halpenny:

I am informed by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation as follows:

1. Yes. The C.B.C. on several occasions indicated to the B.B.G. that it was anxious to televise the Grey cup game on its national networks provided that this did not involve sponsorship arrangements for C.B.C. networks that were determined directly or indirectly by C.T.V. and the corporation made a number of different proposals to this effect.

2. The C.B.C. did receive such an offer but this offer was subsequently withdrawn.

3. (answered by B.B.G.)

4. Yes. (a) Certain proposals were made by the C.B.C. prior to the public hearing of the B.B.G. held August 18, 1962. These were reviewed in some detail at the hearing and additional proposals were put forward at that time. All of these form part of the record of that hearing, (b) (To be answered by the B.B.G.) (c) (To be answered by the B.B.G.)

I am informed by the board of broadcast governors as follows:

1. If the holder of the rights agrees the C.B.C. will instal its own cameras and equipment at the Grey cup stadium and make its own pickup of the game at no cost to C.T.V. in any way. It is prepared to do this on a commercial-free basis or with sponsors of its own choice and is further prepared to provide C.T.V. with a clean feed.

2. The C.B.C. will accept and broadcast the C.T.V. pickup of the game on a sustaining or commercial-free basis. The C.B.C. would require that the C.T.V. provide a clean feed that is without commercial or promotional material.

3. The C.B.C. will accept and broadcast a clear feed of the C.T.V. pickup of the game on a commercial-free basis but will provide for five insertions in the broadcast of customary courtesy announcements which will name the C.T.V. sponsors and extend the appreciation of the corporation to them for making the C.B.C. coverage possible. In addition, the C.B.C. was prepared to offer commercial participation to C.T.V. sponsors on the C.B.C. network in programs prior to and following the Grey cup broadcast.

I am informed that none of these proposals were acceptable to the owners of the television rights of the game.

The B.B.G. was informed that these proposals had been made directly to the C.T.V. Television Network Ltd.

Reasons for the action of the board on the Grey cup game, November 7, 1962:

1. Since the purchase of football rights by parties other than the C.B.C. the situation has remained chaotic and efforts to find voluntary solutions have proved futile. Some imposed solution seemed unavoidable.

2. The Broadcasting Act, section 10, reads: "The board shall . . . regulate the establishment and operation of networks of broadcasting stations, the activities of public and private broadcasting stations in Canada and the relationship between them and provide for the final determination of all matters and questions in relation thereto". The problem of the broadcast of the 1962 Grey cup game was largely one of the networks and the relations between them. The board's responsibility seemed clear.

3. The board determined:

(a) The owners of the rights were prepared to buy the C.T.V. network alone. The board did not feel that this solution was in the public interest.

(b) The owners of the rights were prepared to buy the C.B.C. network alone. This solution would have provided complete coverage. However, the C.B.C. remained adamant that they would not, under any conditions, carry the commercials of the sponsors within the broadcast of the game.

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(c) The C.B.C. was prepared to take a clean feed from C.T.V. network and carry the broadcast on a sustaining basis. Because this would split the audience in the major markets, it was not acceptable to the owners of the rights.

The board has no authority over the owners of rights; its authority extends only to broadcasters, and can be exercised only by regulation.

4. The board considered carefully the reasons for the adamant refusal of the corporation to accept the commercials for British-American Oil, Nabob and Labatt's under any conditions.

The corporation is engaged in commercial operations and has been increasingly aggressive in its commercial policy. The corporation has recently, because of reduced public revenues, found it necessary to cut its costs and curtail its service. The corporation has carried the broadcast of the Grey cup game in other years on a commercial basis. The three companies-B.A., Nabob and Labatt's -have all been acceptable sponsors to the C.B.C. over the years. The C.B.C. was willing to take the commercials of the three companies in the pregame and postgame programs; but not within the body of the broadcast of the game.

Why does the corporation find it so essential to refuse the sponsorship of these three companies at this time?

The corporation has said publicly that this year C.T.V. network and the sponsors conspired to sell and to buy the network of the C.B.C. The board knows of no evidence to support this claim. The board understands that in its contract with the sponsors C.T.V. network undertook to endeavour to secure coverage of the C.B.C. network, but agreed that if it failed to succeed in this the rights to the Grey cup game would be turned over to the sponsors. The transfer took place on October 1, 1962. The sponsors, as owners of the rights, were prepared to buy C.B.C. network alone. This proposal was rejected by the C.B.C. The owners of the rights were prepared to buy the C.T.V. network alone. This action did not seem to the board to be in the public interest.

The corporation has said that their object is to "teach a lesson" to CFTO-TV, C.T.V. network, and the sponsors, and other potential purchasers of the rights to football games, including the Grey cup game, and so to discourage or prevent any repetition of the events of the past two years. The inescapable fact is that there is now a second television network which will continue to extend its coverage and to improve its relative capacity to provide service to the population of Canada. Competition for the rights to popular events is here, and the conditions of competition on

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a commercial basis will become more nearly equal. C.T.Y. network, and its affiliated stations, will be in the market for popular events. No disciplinary action on the part of the C.B.C. will change the situation.

It has been the consistent position of the board that even if C.T.V. network does not yet have the same coverage as the publicly owned network, it should not for that reason be excluded from all the popular events which call for wide coverage. The board believes that C.T.V. network should find it possible to carry some football games, and to have some participation in the annual Grey cup game broadcast. What is needed is some orderly basis for division of these events between the two networks.

Early in October the president of the C.B.C. approached the president of C.T.V. network to discuss an agreement over a term of years which would incorporate the principle of dividing the distribution of football broadcasts. This responsible approach to the problem nearly succeeded. It failed, in part, because of unreconciled but negotiable differences on the conditions for the future; it failed, mainly, because the agreement would have provided for a solution of the 1962 problem, the C.B.C. carrying the commercials of B.A., Nabob and Labatt's The C.B.C. board of directors refused to accept this condition for a long run settlement.

It is obvious that further efforts must be made to establish a basis on which the two networks will be prepared to distribute football broadcasts-a basis which includes division of the broadcasts. The board earlier wrote to all the parties involved suggesting a meeting to discuss the permanent problem and to seek a permanent solution. In view of the move by the president of the C.B.C. and his direct approach to C.T.V. network, no further action was taken by the board. This approach having failed, the board will resume its efforts to get the parties together.

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USE OF JEEPS BY POST OFFICE DEPARTMENT

LIB

Mr. Denis

Liberal

1. How many motor vehicles, commonly called "jeeps", were purchased as of this date by the Post Office Department for use in carrying or delivering mall, and what was the cost of each such vehicle?

2. In what localities are these vehicles now in use, and how many in each case?

3. What is the average annual cost of (a) storage (b) repair (c) operation (d) maintenance (e) depreciation of these vehicles; and what are the other expenses incurred through the purchase and use of these vehicles?

4. How many employees would the department have to employ in order to give equivalent service if these vehicles were not used?

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Ellen Louks Fairclough (Postmaster General)

Progressive Conservative

Mrs. Fairclough:

1. 114 Willys Jeep Dispatchers, $1,855 each.

2. Halifax, N.S., 7; Montreal, P.Q., 37; Quebec, P.Q., 5; Pointe aux Trembles, P.Q., 1; Laval des Rapides, P.Q., 2; Cite de Jacques Cartier, P.Q., 1; St. Rose, P.Q., 4; Toronto, Ont., 7; Winnipeg, Man., 6; Vancouver, B.C., 4; Port Coquitlam, B.C., 6; New Westminster, B.C., 28; Victoria, B.C., 7.

3. (a) $120 each; (b) $160 each; (c) $635 each (total operating cost, including storage, repairs, maintenance, tires and tire repairs, but without driver); (d) $210 each; (e) $300 each.

4. 41 additional employees.

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USE OF SCOOTERS BY POST OFFICE DEPARTMENT

LIB

Mr. Denis

Liberal

1. How many motor vehicles, commonly called "scooters", were purchased as of this date by the Post Office Department for use in carrying or delivering mail, and what was the cost of each such vehicle?

2. In what localities are these vehicles now in use, and how many in each case?

3. What is the average annual cost of (a) storage (b) repair (c) operation (d) maintenance (e) depreciation of these vehicles; and what are the other expenses incurred through the purchase and use of these vehicles?

4. How many employees would the department have to employ in order to give equivalent service if these vehicles were not used?

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Ellen Louks Fairclough (Postmaster General)

Progressive Conservative

Mrs. Fairclough:

1. 41 Cushman mailmobiles, $1,275 each; 15 Gamalin mailmobiles, $1,375 each.

2, 3 and 4. These vehicles proved mechanically unsatisfactory and were turned over to the Crown Assets Disposal Corporation for disposal.

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QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS

FINANCE COMPANIES UNDER FEDERAL CHARTER

November 12, 1962