December 20, 1963

LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

I have already answered that question, I believe.

Topic:   ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE
Subtopic:   JOHN WASYLENCHUK
Sub-subtopic:   DEPORTATION PROM B.C.
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NDP

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

New Democratic Party

Mr. Douglas:

The minister has not answered that question, Mr. Speaker.

Topic:   ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE
Subtopic:   JOHN WASYLENCHUK
Sub-subtopic:   DEPORTATION PROM B.C.
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PC

John George Diefenbaker (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

No.

Topic:   ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE
Subtopic:   JOHN WASYLENCHUK
Sub-subtopic:   DEPORTATION PROM B.C.
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Maurice Bourget (Speaker of the Senate)

Mr. Speaker:

Order. I have been extremely lenient with the hon. member for Burnaby-Coquitlam, and I agree with the right hon. Leader of the Opposition that when matters affecting the liberty of an individual, good or bad, are concerned, it is an extremely important matter and therefore justifies taking up considerable time of parliament. But the hon. member for Burnaby-Coquitlam, it seems to me, is merely arguing the case at the moment. May I suggest to him that if he has anything more to contribute he should do so, but let us not get into a long argument over the matter.

Topic:   ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE
Subtopic:   JOHN WASYLENCHUK
Sub-subtopic:   DEPORTATION PROM B.C.
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NDP

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

New Democratic Party

Mr. Douglas:

On the point of order which you have raised, Mr. Speaker, I am not seeking to argue the matter. I asked the minister a very simple question, as to whether he was aware, at the time he signed the surrender order, that Wasylenchuk was on parole. If he knew he was on parole, why was the legal opinion, which he later sought, not secured at that time; or if he knew Wasylenchuk was on parole and did not seek a legal opinion, why did he not seek a legal opinion? I ask these questions because it certainly seems that an injustice has been done. These are two very simple questions that the minister should answer. Did he know, at the time he signed the surrender order, that the man was on parole? If he did, why did he not seek a legal opinion at that time?

Topic:   ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE
Subtopic:   JOHN WASYLENCHUK
Sub-subtopic:   DEPORTATION PROM B.C.
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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

Mr. Speaker, I am not going to enter into a discussion of the legal aspect of this matter. I have been informed that these two sections, considered together, do not in the slightest degree affect the extra-ditability, if I may use that word, of the individual.

Topic:   ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE
Subtopic:   JOHN WASYLENCHUK
Sub-subtopic:   DEPORTATION PROM B.C.
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NDP

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

New Democratic Party

Mr. Douglas:

I am simply asking the minister why that opinion was not sought before he signed the surrender order.

Topic:   ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE
Subtopic:   JOHN WASYLENCHUK
Sub-subtopic:   DEPORTATION PROM B.C.
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PC

John George Diefenbaker (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

Did the minister tell Mr. Perrault in a telephone conversation that

Inquiries of the Ministry when he signed the extradition order he did not know this man was on parole? Did he tell Mr. Perrault that?

Topic:   ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE
Subtopic:   JOHN WASYLENCHUK
Sub-subtopic:   DEPORTATION PROM B.C.
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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

I do not recollect that I did.

Topic:   ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE
Subtopic:   JOHN WASYLENCHUK
Sub-subtopic:   DEPORTATION PROM B.C.
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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh.

Topic:   ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE
Subtopic:   JOHN WASYLENCHUK
Sub-subtopic:   DEPORTATION PROM B.C.
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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

I cannot remember that part of the conversation, although I have a note of it in my office. In fact I am sure that I did not make that statement.

Topic:   ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE
Subtopic:   JOHN WASYLENCHUK
Sub-subtopic:   DEPORTATION PROM B.C.
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NDP

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

New Democratic Party

Mr. Douglas:

Mr. Speaker, the minister has not answered the simple question that I asked him. Did he know, when he signed the surrender order, that Wasylenchuk was on parole?

Topic:   ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE
Subtopic:   JOHN WASYLENCHUK
Sub-subtopic:   DEPORTATION PROM B.C.
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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

I do not desire to add anything more to what I have said and what is now on the record.

Topic:   ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE
Subtopic:   JOHN WASYLENCHUK
Sub-subtopic:   DEPORTATION PROM B.C.
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NDP

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

New Democratic Party

Mr. Douglas:

The minister would not be adding anything to something he has already said, because I have not had an answer.

Topic:   ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE
Subtopic:   JOHN WASYLENCHUK
Sub-subtopic:   DEPORTATION PROM B.C.
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PC

William Heward Grafftey

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Heward Graffiey (Brome-Missisquoi):

A supplementary question, Mr. Speaker. Did the minister at any time lead Mr. Perrault to believe that we would intervene in extradition proceedings?

Topic:   ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE
Subtopic:   JOHN WASYLENCHUK
Sub-subtopic:   DEPORTATION PROM B.C.
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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

No, Mr. Speaker, I did not.

Topic:   ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE
Subtopic:   JOHN WASYLENCHUK
Sub-subtopic:   DEPORTATION PROM B.C.
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NDP

Frank Howard

New Democratic Party

Mr. Frank Howard (Skeena):

Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the right hon. Prime Minister whether, in view of the disclosures made earlier this morning, he does not think the time is now ripe to dispense with the services of the Minister of Justice or clean out the justice department.

Topic:   ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE
Subtopic:   JOHN WASYLENCHUK
Sub-subtopic:   DEPORTATION PROM B.C.
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LIB

Lester Bowles Pearson (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Right Hon. L. B. Pearson (Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, that is a most insulting question and I do not propose to dignify it by attempting to reply.

Topic:   ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE
Subtopic:   JOHN WASYLENCHUK
Sub-subtopic:   DEPORTATION PROM B.C.
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An hon. Member:

You should be ashamed of that answer.

Topic:   ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE
Subtopic:   JOHN WASYLENCHUK
Sub-subtopic:   DEPORTATION PROM B.C.
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PC

John George Diefenbaker (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

Mr. Speaker, I know how desirous the minister is to be sure that justice is blind, but in view of the serious nature of what took place in the Wasylenchuk case would he ask the Supreme Court of Canada its opinion on this subject, as to whether what was done was legal? The wording of the two statutes, being as they are, challenges the government to act in this regard to assure that injustice will not be done in the future and that the injustice already done will be rectified.

Topic:   ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE
Subtopic:   JOHN WASYLENCHUK
Sub-subtopic:   DEPORTATION PROM B.C.
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December 20, 1963