May 18, 1933 (17th Parliament, 4th Session)


Donald MacBeth Kennedy

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. KENNEDY (Peace River):

That section reads as follows:
No goods shall be transported by water or by land and water, from one place in Canada to another place in Canada, either directly or by way of a foreign port, or for any part of the transportation in any ship other than a British ship.
I suggest that that section is rather badly drawn. One phase of it is amusing, because I do not see bow one could transport goods in a ship by land. As I see, it,, Mr. Speaker, the issue is between the Canadian lake shippers and the western farmers. There has been injected into the debate the suggestion that the issue was between Canadian and American lake shippers. That does constitute an issue, 'but it is second only to the main one. There is also the suggestion that a question arises between western farmers and labour engaged on Canadian boats on the great lakes. That also is an issue, but does not interfere with the main point.
Personally, under ordinary circumstances, I have no objection to the government trying to bring about conditions which will bring a reasonable return to men engaged in shipping or in any other occupation. But I submit that until the time arrives when the farmers of western Canada are receiving at least a living wage from the sale of their grain it is absolutely unfair to put through any regulation or law which will mean that the producers who are selling at less than cost of production1-'and in this statement I am. taking government statistics-shall be asked to sacrifice something more to help some other people engaged in a legitimate business, simply because those other people are suffering a loss. It is that phase of the matter to which I object. If through the financial or economic policy of Canada we were able to raise the level of wheat prices to the place where they would make a reasonable return to the farmers, and provided we 'had reasonable control of ra'tes on the great lakes, I would not take any objections. That this
is an issue between the grower of wheat who must pay the rates and the shipping interests, is made very plain in the evidence submitted 'to the Senate committee.
I do not wish to read much of it, but I think I am in order to read some because the bill has not gone before a committee of the house where evidence could be taken. The question has been raised as to whether or not there is a combine. I do not know whether it is possible to term as a combine the arrangement existing among Canadian ships on the great lakes. That was not admitted in 1923, despite the fact that .the committee investigating found that there was virtually a combine. But that this legislation is asked for in order to make it easier for Canadian steamship lines operating on the great lakes generally to increase prices is admitted in the evidence, and I shall read just enough to establish that point. The evidence of Mr. Enderby of the Canada Steamship Lines as found at page 54, is as follows:

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