The term "penalize" is employed by my hon. friend. We did not have any intention to do that. We do not think we have penalized anybody. We were faced with the fact that we had to implement the 40-hour week and to do that we had to employ these people as relief men. It was done in 86 centres without any change being made. In 26 offices the senior men did not accept. There was no question of going over the senior men, but somebody had to do the job. Since they did not want to do that job, we had to employ other people.