Mr. DONNELLY:

What a man!

Mr. DONNELLY:

Never mind the cost of production. I am giving you the prices that they are getting. You can find out the cost of production, you have plenty of time. In regard to butter, they receive for butter wholesale twenty-seven cents a pound or one shilling. sixpence. Butter retails at thirty cents a pound, or one shilling, eight pence. In Australia and New Zealand wheat sells for seventy-four cents a bushel. If they sell more than three thousand bushels they get a lot less; it runs down to sixty cents. I will not tell you, sir, what we are getting because you know as well as I do, about $1.25. They get three shillings and eight pence for barley, or about sixty-six cents; we get somewhere in the neighbourhood of seventy-nine cents. In Australia and New Zealand a steer weighing about a thousand pounds is sold for about $61.20. In Canada we get about $110 or SI 15 for a steer weighing that much, or nearly twice as much. In Australia and New Zealand a pig weighing 200 pounds sells for $21.60. It sells in our country for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $27 or $28. These are some of the prices which they receive for their agricultural products and they have a socialist government or a labour government, there. The only people who seem to be discriminated against in that country are the agriculturists or the farmers and not the labourers. They have a labour government. Wherever you go you find discontent. I never was in a country where I found more discontent among the farmers than I did in Australia and New Zealand.

I shall now give you what they pay for agricultural implements. The prices run something like this. These implements are manu-

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factored and sold by the Massey-Harris company in that country. A hoe, 16-run small seeder drill, very few of which are manufactured in this country now sells for S375.30; a three-furrow disc plough sells for S412.20. An eight-foot binder, four-horse hitch, sells If or 8525.60; a mower, six-foot, sells for $202.95; a nine-foot rake sells for $79.65; a 26/36 horse-power 102 senior sunshine Massey Harris rubber tires sells for $2,187. In other words, the price of the agricultural implements that they have to buy is nearly one-third higher than in this country and the price of the goods which they have to sell is about one-third less. Is it any wonder that there is dissatisfaction in that country among the agricultural people with regard to the way in which they are being treated? On the other hand, some of our friends over in the corner do not seem to know that we sell our goods at the world's price too. The fact of the matter is that when England wants to buy wheat we ask her how much she is going to pay and we sell to her at the world's price. It may be 75 cents it may be seventy cents; it may be 80 cents; it may be SI.50. We sell it to them at the world price, whatever it is. Supposing the Englishman says he will pay us seventy-five cents; we take the other fifty cents, to make up the $1.25 that we receive, from the mutual aid appropriation. We do the same in connection with pork, beef, butter, cheese and all our farm produce. That is why we are able to get the prices we are receiving at the present time, regardless of what world prices may be. These are things I think we should tell our people, because they do not know how well they are being treated. In my opinion there was never a time in western Canada when the people had as much money as they have now. They should realize in what manner they are receiving the prices they are being paid for their products at the present time.

Mr. DONNELLY:

I should like to say a word or two in regard to the price administration of agricultural products. I found on my trip to Australia and New Zealand that there was no subject that one heard more often than the price of agricultural products. AVherever

we went and wherever I addressed1 a meeting the one question that was asked was: "How are you in Canada able to keep the price of agricultural products so high, so much above the world price, because we sell our goods at the world price and they are much lower than what you people in Canada are obtaining for yours?" I was obliged under those conditions to explain why; but before I go on to explain why, I wish to give the committee the prices which the people in Australia and New Zealand are obtaining for their farm products, so that we may be able to get some idea as to whether Canada is being legislated properly or whether she is being poorly guided and governed. With regard to the prices which they are obtaining for their agricultural products-

Mr. DONNELLY:

What is the date?

Mr. DONNELLY:

The minister mentioned a quota for wheat of eighteen bushels per acre. Can he tell us the quotas for oats and barley?