Thomas HAY

HAY, Thomas

Personal Data

Conservative (1867-1942)
Springfield (Manitoba)
Birth Date
August 6, 1872
Deceased Date
October 2, 1939

Parliamentary Career

December 17, 1917 - October 4, 1921
  Selkirk (Manitoba)
October 29, 1925 - July 2, 1926
  Springfield (Manitoba)
July 28, 1930 - August 14, 1935
  Springfield (Manitoba)

Most Recent Speeches (Page 5 of 56)

March 26, 1931

Mr. HAY:

When the house rose at six

o'clock, Mr. Speaker, I was showing that whenever the Liberal party had made changes in the tariff policy of the country, disastrous results had followed. I had given one or two examples to show that depression had always followed changes in the tariff policy by the Liberals. I cannot quite understand the mentality of the Liberal party. They do not seem to be able to get it into their heads that it is possible for a high tariff to mean lower prices to the consumer. Hon. gentlemen opposite smile at that, but those of us who have lived in this country quite a number of years know that when we had a protective tariff on agricultural machinery amounting to about 33 per cent, we were buying our machinery for just about the present prices. Of

course, there are none so blind as those who will not see.

I believe, Mr. Speaker, that good results are already in evidence following the tariff increase last September. Only the other evening an hon. member on this side of the house mentioned that a mill which had been lying idle for something like six years was now operating at full capacity and employing some two hundred men as a direct result of the tariff increase which was made last September.

I would like to give another instance of disastrous consequences when the Liberal party made a change in the tariff policy. I refer to the trade agreement made between Australia and Canada in 1926. You will remember, sir, that the Conservative party of that day opposed the agreement, pointing out to the then Liberal government how injuriously it would affect the dairying industry of Canada. But our representations, of course, went unheeded, and the Liberal government put through that agreement. Subsequently its provisions were extended to New Zealand. Speaking on the agreement, the then Minister of Agriculture (Mr. Motherwell), as will be seen at page 860 of Hansard of 1926, characterized the speeches of the Conservative members against the trade agreement as mere propaganda. He said that they were trying to make the people believe that if the treaty passed, an avalanche of butter would descend on Canada. Well, Mr. Speaker, that avalanche of butter did descend on the Canadian people, and it put a good many of our farmers practically out of business. Not only that, but the avalanche of butter which

descended upon us almost put the late Minister of Agriculture out of business politically, and certainly it smothered a number of hon. members who supported the treaty in 1926.

In opening my remarks I said that the speech from the throne this year was read under rather unusual conditions, read at a time when depression existed not only in Canada but throughout the world. The duty of governments of the day, not only in Canada but all over the world, is to find solutions for the problems which are facing the world generally. In my opinion, Mr. Speaker, the depression was created by over-production in all lines of commodities. It was impossible to sell our commodities in the markets of the world, consequently the depression through which we are now passing followed. It is the duty of government, I say, to find a cure for the prevailing world-wide depression. We know the cause; what is the cure? Doctors of economy are prescribing various remedies for the cure of our present ills. Some tell us that the acreage that is being sown to grain of different kinds in this country must, be reduced. Others tell us that we must decrease the cost of production, and still others that we must go into diversified farming. All this advice is very good in itself, but whether it will bring about the results hoped for, we cannot say.

With respect to reducing the acreage, I myself cannot understand how that can be done to any great extent by the farmers of Canada. In former years, when they were farming only from two to three hundred acres, they were able merely to make a living at the good prices that prevailed. How, then, would it be possible for them to make a living at present prices if they reduced their acreage? I say that that would be a dangerous experiment; and I do not think it would be wise to go to extremes in attempting to carry it out.

I am a firm believer in diversified farming. I believe that diversified farming has been the salvation of the province of Manitoba, where it is very largely engaged in, with the result, I believe, that conditions are better in that province to-day than in any of the other western provinces.

With respect to lowering the cost of production, it is to a certain extent beyond the power of the individual farmer to accept and act on that advice. The only chance we have of cutting down the cost of production-I am satisfied that we shall be able to do it through the policies of the present government-is by getting cheaper machinery, lower freight rates, and cheaper money-although I am not a very great believer in the latter, but it might

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help to some extent. These, Mr. Speaker, are some of the remedies prescribed by doctors of economy in this country. Whether they will effect the cure that is predicted of them, we cannot say. I do, however, wish to reaffirm my belief in the protective policy of this government, because I believe that it will bring about prosperity.

Now, what is needed at the present time is a cure for our economic ills. Of course, no one can be expected to formulate a cure offhand. I believe that a considerable measure of relief would be afforded by the formation of a world credit association whose function it would be to arrange credits for the nations needing them.

Let me say, Mr. Speaker, that in Manitoba generally, and particularly in the constituency which I have the honour tio represent, our people of various nationalities are working together in harmony in an endeavour to bring about a prosperous and united country, and I firmly believe that only in this way can we hope to see Canada fulfil her glorious destiny.

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March 6, 1930

Right. Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister) :

Mr. Speaker, I desire to

lay on the table the report of the Canadian delegates to the tenth assembly of the League of Nations.

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June 9, 1928


(Prime Minister): Mr. Speaker, I cannot

agree with my hon. friend that closure should have been introduced with respect to private legislation, but I heartily agree for the most part with his other remarks. I may say that the government as a whole are entirely of his view that there may be a necessity to amend the rules so as at least to enable the promoters of private bills to have them determined one way or the other by this parliament. .


Private Bill Legislation-Procedure

May I say in reference to my hon. friend's remark as to what took place just before six o'clock, that that is only the last act in the drama.

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June 17, 1926

Mr. HAY:

I have no objection to these

items passing, but I must say a word or two in connection with some of the votes which are included. First of all I would call the attention of the minister to the condition existing along the river bank from the city of Winnipeg north of St. Andrew's locks for a distance of eighteen or twenty miles. I have here a resolution which throws some light on the situation. This resolution I received the

other day from the secretary-treasurer of the municipality of East St. Paul's, which is north of Winnipeg. The conditions complained of in the resolution are also to be found at many points along the Red river between Winnipeg and St. Andrew's locks on both banks, and matters are getting gradually worse. I have directed the attention of the department to this state of affairs on several occasions, but so far little has been done. Some work has been performed in the shape of riprap in connection with St. Andrew's locks, and I have no doubt that the department fully realize that the construction of those locks has been responsible for the erosion along the banks of Red river even further south than Winnipeg. The resolution in question is accompanied by a letter which reads:

At the last meeting of council-

That is, the council of St. Paul's:

-a delegation of ratepayers waited on the council re the erosion of the banks of the Red river especially as it affects lots 88, 89 and 90 and the following resolution was passed.

The resolution is to the effect that a letter be written to the chief engineer at Winnipeg and to the mentbers representing the different constituencies, bringing the matter to their attention. The letter then states:

The ratepayers living on these banks report that the situation is becoming serious not only to their property but also to the main highway which cornea very close to the banks of the Red river at lots 88 and 89.

I can endorse this resolution because I know that what it states is quite correct. I am familiar with almost every foot of the beach from Winnipeg to lake Winnipeg and I know just what the conditions are like along the river. Before the construction of St. Andrew's lodes the beach along the river to Winnipeg on both sides was stony, and there was absolutely no danger of erosion or of washout while the river was at normal height. But since the raising of the water by the construction of the locks the level has gone beyond the stony beach and consequently the banks along the river, particularly at certain points, are being rapidly washed away, so that the road on each side of the river is being damaged to a considerable extent. I wish to give the minister timely warning, because if this condition is allowed to continue the Dominion government will be responsible for a large sum of money in the shape of damages by the construction of St. Andrew's locks. I should like to see the government take action. This is a question of very great importance to the people of that district, but I do not

Supply-Public Works

wish to take up any further time of the House discussing it; on the contrary, I wish to do all I can to expedite the business of the House, because like many other western members I feel we have been a very long time here and so far as I can see we have accomplished very little in the interests of the country. I repeat, I am anxious to expedite the business of the House so that we may be able to get home as soon as possible. I do not mean to say that we should overlook any questions of importance, but during the six months we have been here we have wasted far too much time, and I certainly want to see the remaining business disposed of without further delay.

I want to ask the hon. minister another question. We have been working on the harbour at Big George's island, lake Winnipeg, for about six years. Will any portion of the item we are now voting or of the general item under dredging be devoted towards the completion of this harbour?

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June 17, 1926

Mr. HAY:

If the work was done in the near future it would cost very little, because the rock is easily obtainable near Selkirk.

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